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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 06:19:06
February 09 2012 06:17 GMT
#2441
I don't know, I felt it was a pretty small mistake. It wasn't trivial, but Hotshot just kept going on about it. Rather disproportionate.

Or maybe they're way above my league, and they already have the basics down so well that the only thing they really need to focus on (and argue about) is little things like that.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
February 09 2012 06:23 GMT
#2442
I dunno, it wasn't as big a deal as hotshot was blowing it up to be, but it's a recurring problem with Doublelift going to farm side lanes/jungle when he needs to be elsewhere.
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Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 06:25:15
February 09 2012 06:23 GMT
#2443
I think the reason GG kept going on and on about it was that Doublelift would not admit he was wrong and that he was practically 6 items any way so farm was a non-issue for him.

EDit: Craton has hit the nail on the head.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
February 09 2012 06:34 GMT
#2444
On February 09 2012 15:23 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it wasn't as big a deal as hotshot was blowing it up to be, but it's a recurring problem with Doublelift going to farm side lanes/jungle when he needs to be elsewhere.


At this point I feel like it's just starting to be pent up frustration because Doublelift making the right strategic play is getting pretty rare. The other day, Doublelift pulled dragon before Saint count hit it, tanked it for 2/3 his health, and wasn't able to be in the teamfight because he was so low. CLG lost the fight really badly and all of the enemy escaped low. Shit like that is so common with him that I completely understand why the frustration is piling on.
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
February 09 2012 06:35 GMT
#2445
In a poke comp where it seems people can't farm as much as normal since they group so early, would it feasible to get a Haunting Guise after your deathcap? I know it's a very unpopular item with weak stats but when you can't farm, I would think you should go for efficiency. Or is voidstaff like 99% better in case you hit the tank?
(basing this off the CLG poke comp game so forgive me if it doesn't apply to some other teams)
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
February 09 2012 06:38 GMT
#2446
CLG vs WE it seems in ranked 5s

CLG going with a fun slow comp + Janna speed - Ashe, Anivia, GP, Sejuani, Janna
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 06:39 GMT
#2447
On February 09 2012 15:34 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 15:23 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it wasn't as big a deal as hotshot was blowing it up to be, but it's a recurring problem with Doublelift going to farm side lanes/jungle when he needs to be elsewhere.


At this point I feel like it's just starting to be pent up frustration because Doublelift making the right strategic play is getting pretty rare. The other day, Doublelift pulled dragon before Saint count hit it, tanked it for 2/3 his health, and wasn't able to be in the teamfight because he was so low. CLG lost the fight really badly and all of the enemy escaped low. Shit like that is so common with him that I completely understand why the frustration is piling on.


^ This is pretty much what Chauster said to me.

You can tell that HS and saint are pretty short fused when it comes to Double, as of late. It's just a culmination of bad decisions by Double in game. If you make a mistake, it's usually ok. But if little mistakes happen every single scrim and you have a tendency to try to justify your mistakes (while not one single member agrees with your POV), then you get some very pissed teammates.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 09 2012 06:43 GMT
#2448
On February 09 2012 14:37 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 14:26 ManyCookies wrote:
All the same, the hot potato with blame is pretty detrimental (reminds me of solo queue). The exact reason behind his death was more or less irrelevant at that point. It just seems like a good issue to discuss/argue about after the game, not during it.

They got to become good players each individually because they care so much about winning, but after that the rate at which they improve as individual players is far lower than the rate they'd improve as a team. With better communication they'd win far more games. It's not that they aren't trying either, it's just that their personalities aren't conducive to forming better communication. They need to set some rules like: "no yelling at anyone during a game, point out a flaw, then move on"
"no counter-arguing until later"

Is HSGG team captain? If he is then it's on his shoulders to make the team work.

people have been throwing this stuff out for years as if they understand who the people on clg are and what their relationships are by watching them stream, and for years clg has crushed almost every tournament. Their consistency in winning stakes matches in this game is still unmatched despite all the worthless backseat psychology their argumentation attracts.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
February 09 2012 06:44 GMT
#2449
http://www.reddit.com/user/Chaoangmoh

this guy's been doing nothing in his life but trolling reddit for the past 10 days, looks like he's moved on from the more mainstream subreddits to the LoL/SC2 community

fun times
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
February 09 2012 06:45 GMT
#2450
On February 09 2012 15:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 15:34 Niton wrote:
On February 09 2012 15:23 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it wasn't as big a deal as hotshot was blowing it up to be, but it's a recurring problem with Doublelift going to farm side lanes/jungle when he needs to be elsewhere.


At this point I feel like it's just starting to be pent up frustration because Doublelift making the right strategic play is getting pretty rare. The other day, Doublelift pulled dragon before Saint count hit it, tanked it for 2/3 his health, and wasn't able to be in the teamfight because he was so low. CLG lost the fight really badly and all of the enemy escaped low. Shit like that is so common with him that I completely understand why the frustration is piling on.


^ This is pretty much what Chauster said to me.

You can tell that HS and saint are pretty short fused when it comes to Double, as of late. It's just a culmination of bad decisions by Double in game. If you make a mistake, it's usually ok. But if little mistakes happen every single scrim and you have a tendency to try to justify your mistakes (while not one single member agrees with your POV), then you get some very pissed teammates.


FIND OUT NEXT WEEK WHO WILL BE VOTED OFF THE ISLAND
FADC
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
February 09 2012 06:58 GMT
#2451
WOW hahaha and jiji didnt even hit his Q.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 07:07:26
February 09 2012 07:00 GMT
#2452
Holyshit that play. Jiji gets ganked mid as Annivia by Malphite and Zigs. Escapes Malphite ult and Zigs ult with flash still gets egged. As they're bringhing him down Ashe arrow hits Ziggs, Jiji gets reborn kills Ziggs runs back and then SV arrives mid and saves Jiji from Malphite when he has sub 100 health then kills Malphite.

Another pro Arrow by Doublelift this time from base, calculating how much slow SV would have when chasing down MF with redbuff and Sej slows.

Team Slow/Ice too good from CLG. They probably only picked it because they knew the counterpick Yi was disabled. They're playing WE again in a scrim this time.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 09 2012 07:04 GMT
#2453
Does anybody know what was in the little mini-patch today?
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 07:10:49
February 09 2012 07:07 GMT
#2454
My impression of the "doublelift general consensus" is that he is very strong mechanically (dat Vayne), but awful at decision making especially a part of a team (maybe too solo-queue mindset)?
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
February 09 2012 07:08 GMT
#2455
team ice is really funny LOL
it might actually be not bad though. does anyone know if sej's and aniv's stuff work on all ice stuff like ashe slow?
jaedong the man with the huge dong
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 09 2012 07:11 GMT
#2456
On February 09 2012 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 15:11 Prospero wrote:
On February 09 2012 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:
The whole team is always a dick to Doublelift. Hotshot/Chauster/SV are always insulting him straight up.


I thinkt he only insult was HS saying DoubleLift was irrelevant. But after hearing their arguments, I side with Chauster, SV, and HS. Doublelfit did make a mistake there

Agreed, however they dwell on Doublelift's mistakes all game.
When the other members make mistakes (and they do,) someone says one thing and then they let it go for the most part (except b/w SV/HSGG sometimes).
When Doublelift makes a mistake they rip him for it all game, after the game, and for the next 3 hours.


I love Double but part of this is because he rarely admits his mistakes. It's the same reason HSGG and SV can argue for a long time because there are times one of them won't admit they're wrong instead of just maning up and saying, "you're right that was my bad." Unfortunately Doublelift doesn't respond to criticism well and will rarely own up to his mistakes.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
February 09 2012 07:12 GMT
#2457
How do people play Ziggs item wise right now?
I usually go for 1 D Ring , then first trip back for another D ring and boots with a rush towards either Deathcap or RoA.

I feel like in the mid - late game when I have like 2 DRs, Deathcap/RoA, Void Staff, Sorc. Boots, and Glacial Shroud. I don't really do much damage in teamfights.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 09 2012 07:18 GMT
#2458
CLGna scrimming WE now.

HS on solo top Olaf. real~
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2012 07:20 GMT
#2459
On February 09 2012 16:08 Owned Noob wrote:
team ice is really funny LOL
it might actually be not bad though. does anyone know if sej's and aniv's stuff work on all ice stuff like ashe slow?

They do not.
What team is that? Aniv/Sej/Ashe/Cryo Brand/Janna?
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Ryrk
Profile Joined May 2011
United States82 Posts
February 09 2012 07:27 GMT
#2460
On February 09 2012 16:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 16:08 Owned Noob wrote:
team ice is really funny LOL
it might actually be not bad though. does anyone know if sej's and aniv's stuff work on all ice stuff like ashe slow?

They do not.
What team is that? Aniv/Sej/Ashe/Cryo Brand/Janna?


On February 09 2012 15:38 beefhamburger wrote:
CLG going with a fun slow comp + Janna speed - Ashe, Anivia, GP, Sejuani, Janna

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