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On January 22 2012 01:50 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 01:15 sob3k wrote:On January 22 2012 00:55 phyvo wrote:
I feel like if anything she will be most viable solo top, but there just seem to be so many ridiculous champions I don't know if she can realistically be picked vs popular top picks. What? She has no sustain or damage, shes gonna be really weak top W does about as much DPS as shyvanna W, pushes less, but passive guarantees more damage. I see as being more or less the same as Volibear. People don't like him jungle because he's simply too slow. Sej's jungle is also pretty slow. So the only place to put them is top if you happen to have a good matchup. That might be the same as saying they're terrible and bad but it's the same as saying they're terrible and bad in general. It's not like their strong jungle covers up for their poor laning.
W does WAY less than shyvana. I mathed it out for her jungle. Its not pretty.
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there are a couple of ways to deal with aoe comps. 1 is to basically counterpick with a kiting-heavy comp with really slippery people. Another way to do it is to just mass pick tanky champions like udyr, irelia, etc. That (from what i remember) is actually what ended the mass aoe ult metagame some time ago and ushered in the era of 4 tanks 1 support. Lastly, another way is to spread really far out and essentially force them to use their ults on only a single person of your choosing (again, somebody like udyr) and then come in and, because a massive amount of their power is gone, you can actually reasonably 4v5 them even if your 1 guy dies.
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On January 22 2012 00:04 Haemonculus wrote:
So does anyone like the new gal? I saw her in a bunch of games and her late game was always just ridiculous. A walking mumu-ult and then like permanent slow on everyone and their mother. You just cannot run from that crazy boar lady.
So I bought her and OHMYGOD HER JUNGLE BLOWS. You clear waves SO SLOWLY, and you have nooo sustain, even with philo rush. Wriggles rush leaves you with shit for mana and then you end up fizzling out on ganks when you don't quite have enough mana to cast that last permafrost. Enemy jungle clears 20x faster than you and outlevels you and blahhh it sucks!
If you can make it to the late game when you have all your tank items, you are a walking CC machine of terror. Running from her is like running from trynd with 5 frozen mallets. Not gonna happen. But getting to late game and still having any sort of impact on the game feels so hard. All my other jungle champs can gank well, sustain themselves, clear waves super fast in between ganks, and then gank some more. Sejuani is just.... slow, and always low on health/mana.
Blahhhh anyone found a good way to make her viable? Again I feel her endgame utility is crazy but until then you just feel so useless to the team T_T
I love her too and I find the same problems as you  Slow as hell jungle and I just feel useless early game in lane or in the jungle. Once late game hits though.....damn she is a terror
Maybe play a really passive solo top with request from jungler to help your ass? hehe
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On January 22 2012 02:43 barbsq wrote:
there are a couple of ways to deal with aoe comps. 1 is to basically counterpick with a kiting-heavy comp with really slippery people. Another way to do it is to just mass pick tanky champions like udyr, irelia, etc. That (from what i remember) is actually what ended the mass aoe ult metagame some time ago and ushered in the era of 4 tanks 1 support. Lastly, another way is to spread really far out and essentially force them to use their ults on only a single person of your choosing (again, somebody like udyr) and then come in and, because a massive amount of their power is gone, you can actually reasonably 4v5 them even if your 1 guy dies.
Just played an AoE comp and it was hilarious. We were so weak early but then we face rolled them
Kennen
Sej
Galio
with Shen and Kog lol No chance for them since Gal would always catch a bunch of them in an ult then right after I would catch a bunch in my ult.....soooo good. They had like 4 melee champs though and an MF who was always too close 
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On January 22 2012 03:01 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 00:04 Haemonculus wrote:
So does anyone like the new gal? I saw her in a bunch of games and her late game was always just ridiculous. A walking mumu-ult and then like permanent slow on everyone and their mother. You just cannot run from that crazy boar lady.
So I bought her and OHMYGOD HER JUNGLE BLOWS. You clear waves SO SLOWLY, and you have nooo sustain, even with philo rush. Wriggles rush leaves you with shit for mana and then you end up fizzling out on ganks when you don't quite have enough mana to cast that last permafrost. Enemy jungle clears 20x faster than you and outlevels you and blahhh it sucks!
If you can make it to the late game when you have all your tank items, you are a walking CC machine of terror. Running from her is like running from trynd with 5 frozen mallets. Not gonna happen. But getting to late game and still having any sort of impact on the game feels so hard. All my other jungle champs can gank well, sustain themselves, clear waves super fast in between ganks, and then gank some more. Sejuani is just.... slow, and always low on health/mana.
Blahhhh anyone found a good way to make her viable? Again I feel her endgame utility is crazy but until then you just feel so useless to the team T_T I love her too and I find the same problems as you Slow as hell jungle and I just feel useless early game in lane or in the jungle. Once late game hits though.....damn she is a terror Maybe play a really passive solo top with request from jungler to help your ass? hehe
Have you tried something like wraiths => red => go roam and almost never jungle? She seems like she has decent ganks but terrible jungle farming.
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On January 21 2012 16:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
I like galio as well, but here are some major reasons as to why he's fallen out of favor. 1) people are stubborn to move out of the current meta, of bruiser top, ap mid, jungler, ad/support bot. 2) he has no mobility, very lacking compared to a lot of ap mids, ergo strong ganks on either top or bot lane are out of the question, despite teh fact he can clear waves of minions easily. 3)his ulti cooldown is really long, similar to the amumu cooldown problem, it's an amazingly powerful ult, however the cd is really long, and if team fight is forced while your cooldown is up, your team is severely lacking that. 4) most games you play are probably solo q games, ergo slower communication, that means big aoe stuns like this are a huge risk if your team doesn't engage.
I didn't ban Kass and the other team first picked him. I countered with AP Galio mid and my entire team turned on me during the rest of the picking process and the first 10min of the game. (LOL KASS OUT FARMING GALIO! *By like 20 CS at the time* 2nd pick so fucking stupid lololol etc) Then I went and got Chalice. Got first blood at lvl 5. Got double kill jungle LS/kass at tower at lvl 6. Ganked bottom right after with double buff and got their AD. From then on nothing could stop me. Galio is hugely underrated but I agree about his ult CD, but a Randuin's fix's that. Or always having blue.
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Galio fits perfectly fine in the current meta. It's only low Elo that rigidly sticks to certain champs in certain lanes. Despite what seems to be popular opinion, it's pretty common to swap solo lanes around from the "norm," especially as it pertains to laning tanks like Cho'gath, Maokai, Galio, etc.
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On January 22 2012 02:31 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 01:50 phyvo wrote:On January 22 2012 01:15 sob3k wrote:On January 22 2012 00:55 phyvo wrote:
I feel like if anything she will be most viable solo top, but there just seem to be so many ridiculous champions I don't know if she can realistically be picked vs popular top picks. What? She has no sustain or damage, shes gonna be really weak top W does about as much DPS as shyvanna W, pushes less, but passive guarantees more damage. I see as being more or less the same as Volibear. People don't like him jungle because he's simply too slow. Sej's jungle is also pretty slow. So the only place to put them is top if you happen to have a good matchup. That might be the same as saying they're terrible and bad but it's the same as saying they're terrible and bad in general. It's not like their strong jungle covers up for their poor laning. W does WAY less than shyvana. I mathed it out for her jungle. Its not pretty.
I'm not talking about jungle, I'm talking about on one target during a laning exchange. In jungle it's completely inferior but in lane it doesn't fall behind until its 5 seconds are done or Shyv is getting both parts of it off during dragon form. But I've jungled both and hurr durr Shyv W being better in jungle is obvious, no mathcraft required.
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Does Shyvana clear the jungle faster than Udyr? I've never played her before so I don't have any experience with it.
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Shyvana has no reliance on blue so it's a pretty key point for the early levels stuff.
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Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 03:17 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On January 21 2012 16:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Speaking of Galio, why the hell does no one play him in the first place? If I were to place him in the relative scale of power I'd put on the higher side. He shits on any AP caster so hard it almost isn't even funny... best part is half the people in solo queue have no idea about this until their AP carry is ridiculously under-farmed and usually feeding galio a kill everytime his ult is up. I like galio as well, but here are some major reasons as to why he's fallen out of favor. 1) people are stubborn to move out of the current meta, of bruiser top, ap mid, jungler, ad/support bot. 2) he has no mobility, very lacking compared to a lot of ap mids, ergo strong ganks on either top or bot lane are out of the question, despite teh fact he can clear waves of minions easily. 3)his ulti cooldown is really long, similar to the amumu cooldown problem, it's an amazingly powerful ult, however the cd is really long, and if team fight is forced while your cooldown is up, your team is severely lacking that. 4) most games you play are probably solo q games, ergo slower communication, that means big aoe stuns like this are a huge risk if your team doesn't engage. I didn't ban Kass and the other team first picked him. I countered with AP Galio mid and my entire team turned on me during the rest of the picking process and the first 10min of the game. (LOL KASS OUT FARMING GALIO! *By like 20 CS at the time* 2nd pick so fucking stupid lololol etc) Then I went and got Chalice. Got first blood at lvl 5. Got double kill jungle LS/kass at tower at lvl 6. Ganked bottom right after with double buff and got their AD. From then on nothing could stop me. Galio is hugely underrated but I agree about his ult CD, but a Randuin's fix's that. Or always having blue.
Thats weird. Why does it say that I said that? Real Psy fuckin up quites
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Is a Cait able to solo top against a Riven who DCed?
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On January 22 2012 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Shyvana has no reliance on blue so it's a pretty key point for the early levels stuff.
Neither does udyr. One of the great misconceptions is that you need blue on udyr. You can do a full clear quite easily on phoenix without blue.
I actually think is overall a more powerful jungle than Shyvana. Shyvana just has the benefit of a free blink and an absurd amount of free resists.
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Udyr first clear w/o blue sucks (technically average compared to normal junglers). After that he's perfectly fine.
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On January 22 2012 05:24 Shiragaku wrote:
Is a Cait able to solo top against a Riven who DCed?
I dunno. I always seem to have troubles against disconnected opponents when I'm the highest ranged champion in the game. Problem is I get pushed to the enemy towers too fast and they kill me. (I take this game too seriously.)
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On January 22 2012 05:49 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 05:24 Shiragaku wrote:
Is a Cait able to solo top against a Riven who DCed? I dunno. I always seem to have troubles against disconnected opponents when I'm the highest ranged champion in the game. Problem is I get pushed to the enemy towers too fast and they kill me. (I take this game too seriously.)
So like, stop pushing when they're back lol.
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On January 22 2012 05:59 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 05:49 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On January 22 2012 05:24 Shiragaku wrote:
Is a Cait able to solo top against a Riven who DCed? I dunno. I always seem to have troubles against disconnected opponents when I'm the highest ranged champion in the game. Problem is I get pushed to the enemy towers too fast and they kill me. (I take this game too seriously.) So like, stop pushing when they're back lol.
Can't help it, if I see my enemy is dc I have to just run at the tower.
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On January 22 2012 05:30 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Shyvana has no reliance on blue so it's a pretty key point for the early levels stuff. Neither does udyr. One of the great misconceptions is that you need blue on udyr. You can do a full clear quite easily on phoenix without blue. I actually think is overall a more powerful jungle than Shyvana. Shyvana just has the benefit of a free blink and an absurd amount of free resists.
With a boots start? Pheonix udyr can clear easily after level 5 or so without blue but the first clear really relies on blue. Every time blue gets stolen i have a hard time early making up the XP. You have to consider how much XP you lose and that you can effectively gank with a fast red so losing blue kinda hurts.
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So I'm new to LoL (only have kata + nocturne as hero) and I wanted to know if there were some inhouse from TL to help new players ?
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On January 22 2012 06:14 Erasme wrote:
So I'm new to LoL (only have kata + nocturne as hero) and I wanted to know if there were some inhouse from TL to help new players ?
Don't think so, you are going to learn this game same as the rest of us. Through solo queue normals.
Muhahahahahahaha
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