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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 09:00:48
January 27 2012 09:00 GMT
#2701
On January 27 2012 17:20 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 17:01 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:41 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 26 2012 18:48 Sponge75 wrote:
Fizz is the next legit OP champ, lose a bit early game, hit 6, 1hit other laner who can't stop you because of untargetableness.


No.

CC him and he sucks. Stun/snare too good.

agree, pick up jungle fiddle, win.

Fiddle sucks huge balls in the new jungle. Also, while I'd argue that it is really hard to die against most mid laners unless you fuck up majorly, Fizz does not care for any distance between you and him, trollpoles any CC you might want to throw at the kid and just towerdives you at level 6. I really dislike the fucker in lane, but I think he isn't OP because if you make sure you and your team are on the same page, he gets instagibbed pretty much every teamfight.

what is GOOD in the new jungle other than Udyr, Rammus, Skarner, Lee Sin?
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 09:05:18
January 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#2702
I think I can see reasoning for losing a tower intentionally now. If you're tryn and you're losing lane because there's an equally good ranged champ in your lane and you can't beat them there, then you can lose lane and get some good farm.

^Shyvana
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
January 27 2012 09:08 GMT
#2703
I think Malphite is good in the new jungle too, not as good as the holy 3(and/or 4) of Udyr, Skarner, Lee Sin and/or Rammus but definetily good.
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 27 2012 09:11 GMT
#2704
On January 27 2012 18:00 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 17:20 Shiv. wrote:
On January 27 2012 17:01 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:41 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 26 2012 18:48 Sponge75 wrote:
Fizz is the next legit OP champ, lose a bit early game, hit 6, 1hit other laner who can't stop you because of untargetableness.


No.

CC him and he sucks. Stun/snare too good.

agree, pick up jungle fiddle, win.

Fiddle sucks huge balls in the new jungle. Also, while I'd argue that it is really hard to die against most mid laners unless you fuck up majorly, Fizz does not care for any distance between you and him, trollpoles any CC you might want to throw at the kid and just towerdives you at level 6. I really dislike the fucker in lane, but I think he isn't OP because if you make sure you and your team are on the same page, he gets instagibbed pretty much every teamfight.

what is GOOD in the new jungle other than Udyr, Rammus, Skarner, Lee Sin?

jarvan, amumu, riven clears well.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 09:40:04
January 27 2012 09:33 GMT
#2705
Maokai clears fast, but he struggles against big camps (esp. w/o blue).
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 27 2012 09:58 GMT
#2706
Yi isn't that bad either, T_D likes TF a lot IIRC, so yeah, there's a lot of stuff that still works. But with a 60 second respawn timer on small camps, Fiddle is more blue dependant than ever, still relatively slow, very suspectable to counterjungling... Don't really like him any more.
currently rooting for myself.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 27 2012 10:22 GMT
#2707
GP does a good job at getting insane amount of golds for a jungler with Q while still having very good ganks as well. He won't clear very fast early but once he gets his razor he fares quite well and gain an additional 20+g per camp.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 27 2012 11:47 GMT
#2708
can anyone tell me for certain if heimer's turret shots heal him if he has spell vamp? ty
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
January 27 2012 11:49 GMT
#2709
Doesn't heal him.
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
January 27 2012 11:49 GMT
#2710
I think Cho could be somewhat viable in jungle. I always fail when I try though :|
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 27 2012 11:53 GMT
#2711
On January 27 2012 18:00 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 17:20 Shiv. wrote:
On January 27 2012 17:01 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:41 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 26 2012 18:48 Sponge75 wrote:
Fizz is the next legit OP champ, lose a bit early game, hit 6, 1hit other laner who can't stop you because of untargetableness.


No.

CC him and he sucks. Stun/snare too good.

agree, pick up jungle fiddle, win.

Fiddle sucks huge balls in the new jungle. Also, while I'd argue that it is really hard to die against most mid laners unless you fuck up majorly, Fizz does not care for any distance between you and him, trollpoles any CC you might want to throw at the kid and just towerdives you at level 6. I really dislike the fucker in lane, but I think he isn't OP because if you make sure you and your team are on the same page, he gets instagibbed pretty much every teamfight.

what is GOOD in the new jungle other than Udyr, Rammus, Skarner, Lee Sin?


Shyvana, nocturne, riven, maokai.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#2712
I found Trundle surprisingly fast when running AS runes aswell. I don't see how Fizz would be OP in any way. He has an incredibly hard time in lane Pre-6, and altho after that he's hard to fight in Lane (much like a Kassadin) his lategame is so very meh. He just gets gibbed any fight he gets in to. He's a ton of fun to play but he's certainly not OP =) I wish he'd be able to jungle, but alas =/
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#2713
On January 27 2012 18:58 Shiv. wrote:
Yi isn't that bad either, T_D likes TF a lot IIRC, so yeah, there's a lot of stuff that still works. But with a 60 second respawn timer on small camps, Fiddle is more blue dependant than ever, still relatively slow, very suspectable to counterjungling... Don't really like him any more.


I don't really like Fiddle anymore either. His pre-6 ganks aren't that great. Sure the fear is nice and all, but his ganks don't really make up for his inability to farm.

And on Yi I feel that early Q procs either get you ahead of the other jungler or behind. With 0 Q procs for your first jungle route you get shafted a bit against fast junglers. Not to mention that Yi ganks aren't all that great.

I'm digging the Alistar jungle myself atm, god-tier ganks and if you go AD the clear time isn't bad at all.
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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
January 27 2012 12:37 GMT
#2714
On January 27 2012 21:18 Promises wrote:
I found Trundle surprisingly fast when running AS runes aswell. I don't see how Fizz would be OP in any way. He has an incredibly hard time in lane Pre-6, and altho after that he's hard to fight in Lane (much like a Kassadin) his lategame is so very meh. He just gets gibbed any fight he gets in to. He's a ton of fun to play but he's certainly not OP =) I wish he'd be able to jungle, but alas =/


Thing with Trundle is you can reset autoattack with Q so I think AD or Arpen is much better than AS, which he also already gets from his W. But yeah he is strong in jungle even without AoE IMO.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17282 Posts
January 27 2012 12:47 GMT
#2715
On January 27 2012 10:31 arnath wrote:
Why is it that teams don't run CV all the time anymore? Even in this IPL game, neither team is running CV. I realize it was nerfed but the vision is still really useful, no? It seems like most AD carries are running Heal/Flash so why would you also take Heal on your support?

EU teams in scrim are running CV on support, Heal on AD carry.

On January 27 2012 13:55 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:53 wei2coolman wrote:
CLG looking really strong, like REALLY strong. but these are just scrims.


Have to remember that MiG is on 150 ping, Probably wouldn't have cait doubling kogs cs if equal ping. Although MiG fucked up the early game way too hard.

Barely relevant. People try to blame too much on a slightly higher ping. East coast US players sit around 80-120ms.

On January 27 2012 14:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 14:02 BlackMagister wrote:
TRM did well with Volibear in a scrim a few weeks ago, combined with Udyr ganks was a good kill almost every time. SV or HS saying Volibear good just not vs Renek because of his double dash. Also HSGG died to a "lucky" gank because they ganked 2-3 seconds after his ward expired and Renek should not have been able to time the ward according to HS.

I mean, volibear is good, but like a lot of other champs I just feel there are stronger picks.

I still think he's underrated.


On January 27 2012 20:53 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 18:00 Kenpachi wrote:
On January 27 2012 17:20 Shiv. wrote:
On January 27 2012 17:01 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 27 2012 16:41 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 26 2012 18:48 Sponge75 wrote:
Fizz is the next legit OP champ, lose a bit early game, hit 6, 1hit other laner who can't stop you because of untargetableness.


No.

CC him and he sucks. Stun/snare too good.

agree, pick up jungle fiddle, win.

Fiddle sucks huge balls in the new jungle. Also, while I'd argue that it is really hard to die against most mid laners unless you fuck up majorly, Fizz does not care for any distance between you and him, trollpoles any CC you might want to throw at the kid and just towerdives you at level 6. I really dislike the fucker in lane, but I think he isn't OP because if you make sure you and your team are on the same page, he gets instagibbed pretty much every teamfight.

what is GOOD in the new jungle other than Udyr, Rammus, Skarner, Lee Sin?


Shyvana, nocturne, riven, maokai.

I rarely ever see Nocturne these days.

I play a lot of jungle Jarvan.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 12:58:16
January 27 2012 12:52 GMT
#2716
On January 27 2012 20:49 zodde wrote:
Doesn't heal him.

Wait what? I'm pretty sure they do. I played a ton of heimer in the free week, and I'm sure I remember being healed due to the turrets when I bough WOTA . . .

Edit: Jungle jarvan is pretty good. So is olaf, though his ganks are kinda weak.

Nocturne just fell out of favor after his nerfs. With the bonuses from his W and Q, combined with the AOE from his passive/Q, he clears really fast and his ganks are still pretty powerful.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 12:58:44
January 27 2012 12:57 GMT
#2717
I tried AS on Trundle out of curiosity, noticed it took me one more it to kill some monsters (namely wolves) than with Arpen, and the way his Q works, it actually is a bit slower, I think, especially on buff camps.
He may become better if people keep on insisting with counter-jungling (yeah, go try to fight a champ with an aa-reset/AD debuff, a mass steroid, and a slow/terrain blocker, in his jungle), but I rediscovered the fun of playing him after getting tired of Maokai that's too dependant of his team to come to his help when counterjungled.

Not gonna care about Sivir's MS steroids when you can simply trap her back to the wall.

I think I'll buy Orianna/Lux (and have to go into blinds to play them, tried Ori but I was badder than now, never played Lux) since I've got some RP left, then try to learn jungle Udyr or Olaf.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#2718
On January 27 2012 21:52 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:49 zodde wrote:
Doesn't heal him.

Wait what? I'm pretty sure they do. I played a ton of heimer in the free week, and I'm sure I remember being healed due to the turrets when I bough WOTA . . .

Edit: Jungle jarvan is pretty good. So is olaf, though his ganks are kinda weak.

Nocturne just fell out of favor after his nerfs. With the bonuses from his W and Q, combined with the AOE from his passive/Q, he clears really fast and his ganks are still pretty powerful.

No, it doesn't heal him.

I used to jungle Olaf but he's just so much better top where he can beat a lot of people rather than just being mediocre and underfarmed in the jungle
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#2719
I currently have 2 jungle pages, one has AD/Arpen Reds and Quints and Armor/Mr/lvl yellow and blues, and the other has AS Red and blue, armor yellow and Arpen Quints, and I seem to remember the AS page giving Trund a fast clear, but I'm not 100% sure, wil give it a go when I get out of work. As does ofcourse sync with Madred/Wrigg better but that's later on =)
Going to try out some Kayle Jungle aswell I reckon, not quite sure what setup I'll run on her item/rune/mastery wise yet tho
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#2720
On January 27 2012 21:57 Alaric wrote:
I tried AS on Trundle out of curiosity, noticed it took me one more it to kill some monsters (namely wolves) than with Arpen, and the way his Q works, it actually is a bit slower, I think, especially on buff camps.
He may become better if people keep on insisting with counter-jungling (yeah, go try to fight a champ with an aa-reset/AD debuff, a mass steroid, and a slow/terrain blocker, in his jungle), but I rediscovered the fun of playing him after getting tired of Maokai that's too dependant of his team to come to his help when counterjungled.

Not gonna care about Sivir's MS steroids when you can simply trap her back to the wall.

I think I'll buy Orianna/Lux (and have to go into blinds to play them, tried Ori but I was badder than now, never played Lux) since I've got some RP left, then try to learn jungle Udyr or Olaf.


I always wondered why Orianna just went from very popular to nonexistant in such a short time. They nerfed her quite significantly and I remember that her autoattack range was so short that you were in range of Annie Q/autoattack or Ryze Q's.

She was a lot of fun to play, and her ult was really good. I'm sad she got hit with the nerfbat so bad.

Lux is just loads of fun, blowing people up with lazers and generally having huge range for all your spells. Don't forget to spam her laugh too
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