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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 12 2012 11:20 GMT
#3561
Thing is, most morganas just try to combo at lvl 2, or do the fancy W bait, which is kinda all-in, since if it doesn't work, you have no mana and are super vulnerable to ganks, thanks to the pushed lane.

Very early, morg is actually decent for autoattack-harass (against melee mids like gragas/kass you can just AA for ages)

It's very easy to bully people out of lane with morg, you only kill them if they're stupid and stay when they're low. Happens often enough actually.
What I think most bad Morgs do wrong is being overeager with spamming skills, then they get manalow, harrassed back, and cant heal anymore.
Trading is where it's at.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 12 2012 11:23 GMT
#3562
On January 12 2012 19:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 19:19 UniversalSnip wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:56 TheYango wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:42 Skithiryx wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ

Seriously. Its like anyone who says LW is still a great item has brainwashed themselves. Its like saying rabbadons is a good item compared to how it used to be Zhonyas ring.

To be fair, Rabadon's when it first came out was arguably stronger than ZRing. because the cost-effectiveness was batshit insane.

ZRing didn't become cost-effective for the AP till you got 80 outside AP. Rabadon's gave 700 gold extra worth of AP with NO outside AP. With ~80 outside AP (runes, DRings, etc.), you were essentially paying the cost of 2 NLRs and getting almost a 3rd one for free.


I wouldn't say arguably, rabadon's was grossly op when it first came out

It depends on the hero that was getting it. For anyone that got ZRing before, I think ZRing was better. For anyone that didn't, Rabadon's was.


Not really relevant to whether rabadon's was op, that just meant zhonya users were terrible compared to those that could abuse rabadon.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 12 2012 11:24 GMT
#3563
Barely played her with the new jungle, but I noticed from level 4-5 onward my mp5 would allow me to W once per wave, kill my wraiths (and theirs when anavailable) at each spawn, and then I'd get a little more. I'd use that to deny their jungler, grab more xp when mine's away, and use the remainder to shield from ganks or threats of unfavorable trades. But that was hella passive...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 12 2012 11:24 GMT
#3564
Don't be too quick to judge about Jax. Remember Trynd? Everybody on the LoL forums was bitching about how his rework was a huge nerf for some reason, they were wrong and Phreak pretty much laughed at their face.

I don't think they're trying to make him a tanky DPS actually because Phreak says hes not supposed to initate a fight but join them to cause tons of damage hes more of a fighter. Who knows though.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:28:08
January 12 2012 11:26 GMT
#3565
On January 12 2012 20:24 RogerX wrote:
Don't be too quick to judge about Jax. Remember Trynd? Everybody on the LoL forums was bitching about how his rework was a huge nerf for some reason, they were wrong and Phreak pretty much laughed at their face.

I don't think they're trying to make him a tanky DPS actually because Phreak says hes not supposed to initate a fight but join them to cause tons of damage hes more of a fighter. Who knows though.

Any fighter who doesn't build tanky will die in 2seconds to burst(I know you're not supposed to initiate, anyone who initiates on jax right now, unless he can stun all 5, is bad). Someone like Talon(not a fighter but assassin) can go in, do his dmg and go out without dying, akali can be in the middle as long as they dont have oracles/pinky etc.
Also tryndamere is overrated.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 12 2012 11:33 GMT
#3566
Well I agree, we'll just have to see his numbers when he becomes released into the wild.

well since his ult scales off AP and AD im curious to how his new build will be.

lol something metaish with a mix of AP perhaps?
lantern, Warmogs, atmas, ryalis, rageblade

trololol? idk, i can't think of an efficent build
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 12 2012 11:34 GMT
#3567
On January 12 2012 20:26 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:24 RogerX wrote:
Don't be too quick to judge about Jax. Remember Trynd? Everybody on the LoL forums was bitching about how his rework was a huge nerf for some reason, they were wrong and Phreak pretty much laughed at their face.

I don't think they're trying to make him a tanky DPS actually because Phreak says hes not supposed to initate a fight but join them to cause tons of damage hes more of a fighter. Who knows though.



Also tryndamere is overrated.

4 pros agreeing on SotL yesterday he's arguably the strongest champ in the game right now.
currently rooting for myself.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:35:49
January 12 2012 11:35 GMT
#3568
I agree that we should wait and see but I can't see it as anything other than a nerf when they took a huge dump on his survivability trough his passive, E(really, anyone who thinks that a ~2sec 100% dodge on a 10sec cd at max rank is better than ~30% dodge all the time is a buff is a dummy), and his ult.
On January 12 2012 20:34 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:26 JackDino wrote:
On January 12 2012 20:24 RogerX wrote:
Don't be too quick to judge about Jax. Remember Trynd? Everybody on the LoL forums was bitching about how his rework was a huge nerf for some reason, they were wrong and Phreak pretty much laughed at their face.

I don't think they're trying to make him a tanky DPS actually because Phreak says hes not supposed to initate a fight but join them to cause tons of damage hes more of a fighter. Who knows though.



Also tryndamere is overrated.

4 pros agreeing on SotL yesterday he's arguably the strongest champ in the game right now.

Tryndamere has quite a few matchups in which he gets shit on, and burst/cc during his ult does wonders, also wither is amazing vs him.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 11:38:31
January 12 2012 11:37 GMT
#3569
Yeah but theres a problem with tryndamere.

You have to be really careful with his nerfs or else hes gonna become really bad. And people really have to start playing some more malphite (at least my ELO anyway) against trynd, you pick tryndamere? Well I pick Rumble. Like wtf lol.

I agree with you on that one, Jax's E cooldown is way too long considering how much invulnerability you get from auto attacks its ridiculous, 20 seconds cd for 2 sec dodge.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#3570
On January 12 2012 20:35 JackDino wrote:
Tryndamere has quite a few matchups in which he gets shit on, and burst/cc during his ult does wonders, also wither is amazing vs him.

Who, Kennen aside, doesn't? Randomly naming counters to a champ does not make him bad, it just makes him counterable.
currently rooting for myself.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 12 2012 11:44 GMT
#3571
We've actually had this before but I'll try to summarize it through memory.

A good riven
Malphite (Attack speed debuff and tanky ftw)
A nasus vs a bad tryndamere (constant pushing trynd)

Maybe Ryze? Lol it makes sense on paper but I don't know how effective it truly is.

Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 12 2012 11:49 GMT
#3572
On January 12 2012 20:44 RogerX wrote:
We've actually had this before but I'll try to summarize it through memory.

A good riven
Malphite (Attack speed debuff and tanky ftw)
A nasus vs a bad tryndamere (constant pushing trynd)

Maybe Ryze? Lol it makes sense on paper but I don't know how effective it truly is.


I wasn't asking for Tryndamere counters, I was merely saying that everyone but Kennen has some really bad matchups for them so saying ''Tryndamere is overrated cause he has counters'' isn't exactly the best way to argue his viability.
currently rooting for myself.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 12:26:40
January 12 2012 12:16 GMT
#3573
How good is hybrid nidalee? Something along the lines of rageblade, lichbane & gunblade? What else would you recommend for a hybrid nid build?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 12 2012 12:40 GMT
#3574
Get taunted by Rammus. Kill him before the end of the duration because of Last Whisper. Profit. <3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
January 12 2012 12:48 GMT
#3575
Jax's new passive seems really op. Before the rework he got like 40% as or something at lv6. Now hes gonna start owning the lane from lv 1
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
January 12 2012 13:54 GMT
#3576
On January 12 2012 05:53 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Just picked up nidalee zomg she is stupidly fun & good.
Always push, never not push, crazy burst with lichbane, OP spears, nice heal to aid teammates in fights, and then when the situation is right just jump in and maul everyone to dealth.
Requires high APM & the being able to keep rageblade at max stats constantly is retardedly good. Love the decision making required to play here effectively - using heals, switching forms, when to jump in with cougar, when to hang back and chuck spears and heal allies. :D


First champion I bought, and still my main/favorite champion.

I often go around, try a few champions, etc...

But when I come back to play her, I'm having so much more fun than with any other hero, that I don't think I'll ever switch main champion ^^
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 14:07:13
January 12 2012 14:06 GMT
#3577
HSGG fell asleep on his sofa after entering queue. :D

edit: 13k people watching him ^_^
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
January 12 2012 14:08 GMT
#3578
I'm the Ezreal on the other team hahah. Hope the game starts, free elo haha. :D :D
Retvrn to Forvms
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 12 2012 14:10 GMT
#3579
On January 12 2012 20:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 19:23 TheYango wrote:
On January 12 2012 19:19 UniversalSnip wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:56 TheYango wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:42 Skithiryx wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ

Seriously. Its like anyone who says LW is still a great item has brainwashed themselves. Its like saying rabbadons is a good item compared to how it used to be Zhonyas ring.

To be fair, Rabadon's when it first came out was arguably stronger than ZRing. because the cost-effectiveness was batshit insane.

ZRing didn't become cost-effective for the AP till you got 80 outside AP. Rabadon's gave 700 gold extra worth of AP with NO outside AP. With ~80 outside AP (runes, DRings, etc.), you were essentially paying the cost of 2 NLRs and getting almost a 3rd one for free.


I wouldn't say arguably, rabadon's was grossly op when it first came out

It depends on the hero that was getting it. For anyone that got ZRing before, I think ZRing was better. For anyone that didn't, Rabadon's was.


Not really relevant to whether rabadon's was op, that just meant zhonya users were terrible compared to those that could abuse rabadon.


I find the rabadons discussion interesting, since I think it makes AP builds kinda dull. You kinda have to get it at least as your second major item which I dont like.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 12 2012 14:10 GMT
#3580
On January 12 2012 23:08 Chrispy wrote:
I'm the Ezreal on the other team hahah. Hope the game starts, free elo haha. :D :D




heh he woke up with smite TF
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