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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 06:38:10
January 12 2012 06:36 GMT
#3521
So this CLG scrim makes me realize how much I miss jiji's Anivia play. He just seems to have so much fun playing Anivia and he's really good at bird.

CLG about to scrim MiG.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 12 2012 06:38 GMT
#3522
On January 12 2012 15:36 overt wrote:
So this CLG scrim makes me realize how much I miss jiji's Anivia play. He just seems to have so much fun playing Anivia and he's really good at bird.


jiji was awesome. also CLG vs MiG now
can i get my estro logo back pls
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 06:39:09
January 12 2012 06:38 GMT
#3523
Jiji is one of the best ap mids I have ever seen. He meshes so well with SV.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 06:43:20
January 12 2012 06:41 GMT
#3524
On January 12 2012 15:38 dignity wrote:
Jiji is one of the best ap mids I have ever seen. He meshes so well with SV.


jiji is my favorite player. He's amazing at AP but he doesn't go well with SV because of how passive he plays. I think he's starting to realize that he needs to be really aggressive now and he's doing better. If he starts playing as aggressive as like, Reginald, then I don't think CLG will lose many games. SV + an aggressive AP mid has proven to be really fucking scary.

By the way, why did Anivia fall out of favor? I remember her nerfs awhile back but they weren't that significant imo. People just got bored with her? I mean, her burst is good. Her teamfight is excellent. Her laning is strong. The only thing I can think of that hurts Anivia is team dependency and some mana issues in lane but at the pro level team dependency shouldn't be as big of a deal. I was a big LoL noob when jiji would always play Anivia so I don't remember why people quit playing her.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 06:43:17
January 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#3525
On January 12 2012 15:41 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:38 dignity wrote:
Jiji is one of the best ap mids I have ever seen. He meshes so well with SV.


jiji is my favorite player. He's amazing at AP but he doesn't go well with SV because of how passive he plays. I think he's starting to realize that he needs to be really aggressive now and he's doing better. If he starts playing as aggressive as like, Reginald, then I don't think CLG will lose many games. SV + an aggressive AP mid has proven to be really fucking scary.

He doenst need to be aggressive in lane (he never has had a problem with that aspect, he is a great solo mid player) so much as he needs to be more mobile- poke around and see if he can grab people who are out of position around the lane and both blue buffs.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
January 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#3526
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
January 12 2012 06:44 GMT
#3527
On January 12 2012 15:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:41 overt wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:38 dignity wrote:
Jiji is one of the best ap mids I have ever seen. He meshes so well with SV.


jiji is my favorite player. He's amazing at AP but he doesn't go well with SV because of how passive he plays. I think he's starting to realize that he needs to be really aggressive now and he's doing better. If he starts playing as aggressive as like, Reginald, then I don't think CLG will lose many games. SV + an aggressive AP mid has proven to be really fucking scary.

He doenst need to be aggressive in lane (he never has had a problem with that aspect, he is a great solo mid player) so much as he needs to be more mobile- poke around and see if he can grab people who are out of position around the lane and both blue buffs.

CLG, as a team, needs to get to blue buffs faster. Saint is amazing about timing that shit and getting to the enemies but his team NEVER FOLLOWS HIM. That is a nightmare in soloqueue but they're bad about it in tournies too.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 12 2012 06:45 GMT
#3528
On January 12 2012 15:42 Skithiryx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ

Seriously. Its like anyone who says LW is still a great item has brainwashed themselves. Its like saying rabbadons is a good item compared to how it used to be Zhonyas ring.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 12 2012 06:48 GMT
#3529
On January 12 2012 15:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:41 overt wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:38 dignity wrote:
Jiji is one of the best ap mids I have ever seen. He meshes so well with SV.


jiji is my favorite player. He's amazing at AP but he doesn't go well with SV because of how passive he plays. I think he's starting to realize that he needs to be really aggressive now and he's doing better. If he starts playing as aggressive as like, Reginald, then I don't think CLG will lose many games. SV + an aggressive AP mid has proven to be really fucking scary.

He doenst need to be aggressive in lane (he never has had a problem with that aspect, he is a great solo mid player) so much as he needs to be more mobile- poke around and see if he can grab people who are out of position around the lane and both blue buffs.

Well SV has said that jiji does have this problem. He has repeatedly talked about how well he meshes with Reginald because when he ganks he knows he can count on Reginald while he can't always count on jiji to follow up for his ganks. Maybe there is nothing wrong with jiji's playstyle, but at least according to SV it does not work well with his ganks.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 12 2012 07:09 GMT
#3530
So, how do I deal with nasus as a riven solotop? I open cloth 5, and I was able to keep up with him.... but once his wither got stronger, i kept losing exchanges.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 07:25:29
January 12 2012 07:24 GMT
#3531
On January 12 2012 15:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:42 Skithiryx wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ

Seriously. Its like anyone who says LW is still a great item has brainwashed themselves. Its like saying rabbadons is a good item compared to how it used to be Zhonyas ring.

I liked the 20 AD 40% aspd 1900 gold LW back when % penetration was calculated before flat penetration.


On January 12 2012 16:09 wei2coolman wrote:
So, how do I deal with nasus as a riven solotop? I open cloth 5, and I was able to keep up with him.... but once his wither got stronger, i kept losing exchanges.

Keep up with him? He should drop below half at lvl1 the first time you attack him and then you just keep trading, there should be no way for him to be even with you by the time his wither is decent and he'll not have unlimited mana either.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 12 2012 07:25 GMT
#3532
Before the latest CLG/MiG scrim:

Hotshot/Chauster/Doublelift: Man we shouldn't have let saint pick us Soraka this lane is terrible we need to just show him how bad it is once we we can stop picking it.

After:

Hotshot: I think of all the variables, having Soraka won us that game. And then everyone agreeing with him lol.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 12 2012 07:25 GMT
#3533
CLG vs MiG still going
can i get my estro logo back pls
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 07:34:06
January 12 2012 07:27 GMT
#3534
On January 12 2012 16:25 Niton wrote:
Before the latest CLG/MiG scrim:

Hotshot/Chauster/Doublelift: Man we shouldn't have let saint pick us Soraka this lane is terrible we need to just show him how bad it is once we we can stop picking it.

After:

Hotshot: I think of all the variables, having Soraka won us that game. And then everyone agreeing with him lol.


They were being sarcastic. They would've won that game regardless of their support pick.

The argument was that Soraka isn't a smart support pick against an AoE comp which is what they thought MiG was gonna run. Saint thought Soraka was a good pick against an AoE comp.

UGH, Chauster not streaming while he plays legendary Vlad. Sad day.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 12 2012 07:31 GMT
#3535
Since not everyone visitis LoL General here is what Phreak said about Jax, most notably there will be changes to his base stats to compensate for the loss of his old passive.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1698545
+ Show Spoiler +
Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
His stats and abilities are not unchanged. While the functionality of Q and W are identical, their numbers are different. For example, his HP per level is going up to compensate for the loss of the old free health passive.

As someone who's been playing a ton of Jax internally to make sure he's balanced:

1a. Do not, do not, do not underestimate the power of a jungler with a 700 range leap strike + stun. Pantheon wishes he could jungle gank like Jax. "Do not underestimate the power of 35% crit at full health" proved to be a correct statement. Trust me on this one

1b. His jungle clear speed is really, really fast. Getting that free attack speed from level 1 is a big deal.

2. His damage, cooldown, and scaling values are different such that you get a lot of new gameplay:

2a. For example, if you build pure glass cannon, you're doing to be squishier than before, but have more damage than before. This feeds in from his ultimate giving even more AD/AP, and it comes in from tweaked cooldowns and ratios.

2b. Your sustained itemless DPS is a bit higher, so zero-gold Jax (or pure tank Jax) is stronger than before, both from base ability damage and from base stat increases.

2c. Building some mix of both damage and durability, which is the build I think is most likely (See: Lee Sin, Nocturne, Gangplank) will put you almost exactly where you were before in both damage and durability.

3. A reliable on-demand stun is a big deal.

Honestly, Jax is not nerfed. He has more viable build options, the ability to jungle, and just the right amount of power, IMO.

If do miss the mark on his power, then we can just buff him. We removed the toxic mechanics so that we can safely buff/nerf him without creating a snowballing nightmare. If he comes out weak, we buff. If he comes out too strong, we nerf.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 12 2012 07:33 GMT
#3536
I agree with SV on the scrim tho. You scrim to try things and see what goes well with what versus what.
KCCO!
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 07:50:12
January 12 2012 07:45 GMT
#3537
Damn, I absolutely despise watching OddOne and SaintVicious jungle Singed.

They are so bad at it, I don't know why they try it they don't look at what works and just do random shit.

In scrim, SV opens Regrowth T_T

either get cloth 5 or boots 3......

you can get to 4 as fast as Phoenix Udyr doing cloth 5 -_-



Damn, why do they build philo..... Ninja Tabi then HoG is #1 build or just keep cloth armor

EDIT: Why the fk does Chauster think Vlad is so good, when the only person he can beat is regi, and it's only because Vlad works against Regi's playstyle of aggression. Sure he is strong lategame, but there are so many other APs that are even better like Karth/Ryze/Cassio
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 07:57:58
January 12 2012 07:56 GMT
#3538
On January 12 2012 15:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:42 Skithiryx wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:31 Chrispy wrote:
Considering Riot felt Sunfire cape was too strong while doing 40 magic damage I'm pretty sure 35 true damage would indeed be op. Hahaha.

IMO they just need to make stacking sunfires possible again. 3 sunfire cape Garen.. *sigh* I miss it so much.

Me too. And that was back when last whisper was actually good too. T_T


God the game was so much better back then.


Brutalizer > IEdge > LWhisper on your ranged carries, those were the days when MF was still viable as well QQ

Seriously. Its like anyone who says LW is still a great item has brainwashed themselves. Its like saying rabbadons is a good item compared to how it used to be Zhonyas ring.

To be fair, Rabadon's when it first came out was arguably stronger than ZRing. because the cost-effectiveness was batshit insane.

ZRing didn't become cost-effective for the AP till you got 80 outside AP. Rabadon's gave 700 gold extra worth of AP with NO outside AP. With ~80 outside AP (runes, DRings, etc.), you were essentially paying the cost of 2 NLRs and getting almost a 3rd one for free.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 12 2012 07:58 GMT
#3539
On January 12 2012 16:45 tobi9999 wrote:
EDIT: Why the fk does Chauster think Vlad is so good, when the only person he can beat is regi, and it's only because Vlad works against Regi's playstyle of aggression. Sure he is strong lategame, but there are so many other APs that are even better like Karth/Ryze/Cassio


He just won lane against Yorick too. Chauster's Vlad is really fucking good. Like Salce levels of good.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 12 2012 08:00 GMT
#3540
On January 12 2012 16:58 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 16:45 tobi9999 wrote:
EDIT: Why the fk does Chauster think Vlad is so good, when the only person he can beat is regi, and it's only because Vlad works against Regi's playstyle of aggression. Sure he is strong lategame, but there are so many other APs that are even better like Karth/Ryze/Cassio


He just won lane against Yorick too. Chauster's Vlad is really fucking good. Like Salce levels of good.


no he didn't, he got outcs'd and only got kills because singed helped a bit, while jarvan got 2 dragons due to jungler being top.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
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