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On December 18 2011 22:32 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 22:22 TheYango wrote:On December 18 2011 22:16 JackDino wrote:
Does MF Q reset auto attack? The term isn't even relevant to MF's Q, because it behaves as a spell that applies on-hit modifiers, not as an autoattack modifier. "Reset autoattack timer" is relevant to spells that are autoattack modifiers because they behave as autoattacks--if they didn't do so you would have to wait until your autoattack came off CD to use it. This is different from MF Q, because MF Q is treated as a normal spell, so it doesn't use the autoattack CD in the first place. On December 18 2011 22:16 JackDino wrote:
or can you just use it whenever without losing any dmg from autos? This has nothing to do with whether it resets the autoattack timer. The autoattack CD still runs during the time that you are performing animations for other actions, so even for normal spells like, say, Annie's Q, you get more DPS from using them between autoattacks when your autoattack is on CD. The "autoattack timer reset" is only a provision to autoattack modifer spells so that the behave similarly to normal spells in this regard. But, can you use it without losing any dmg from your autoattacks due to animation when you have a high autoattack speed or does it simply not matter?
I'm still confused by what the hell you're asking.
ANY spell with a cast animation causes you to lose autoattack DPS when you have high attack speed. If the spell's own cast animation is longer than the autoattack CD, you are always going to lose an autoattack's worth of DPS during that time. No spell in the game lets you cut back to your autoattack if it comes back off CD during the spell cast.
Like, give me an example spell for what kind of behavior you're expecting from MF Q?
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On December 18 2011 22:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 22:32 JackDino wrote:On December 18 2011 22:22 TheYango wrote:On December 18 2011 22:16 JackDino wrote:
Does MF Q reset auto attack? The term isn't even relevant to MF's Q, because it behaves as a spell that applies on-hit modifiers, not as an autoattack modifier. "Reset autoattack timer" is relevant to spells that are autoattack modifiers because they behave as autoattacks--if they didn't do so you would have to wait until your autoattack came off CD to use it. This is different from MF Q, because MF Q is treated as a normal spell, so it doesn't use the autoattack CD in the first place. On December 18 2011 22:16 JackDino wrote:
or can you just use it whenever without losing any dmg from autos? This has nothing to do with whether it resets the autoattack timer. The autoattack CD still runs during the time that you are performing animations for other actions, so even for normal spells like, say, Annie's Q, you get more DPS from using them between autoattacks when your autoattack is on CD. The "autoattack timer reset" is only a provision to autoattack modifer spells so that the behave similarly to normal spells in this regard. But, can you use it without losing any dmg from your autoattacks due to animation when you have a high autoattack speed or does it simply not matter? I'm still confused by what the hell you're asking. ANY spell with a cast animation causes you to lose autoattack DPS when you have high attack speed. If the spell's own cast animation is longer than the autoattack CD, you are always going to lose an autoattack's worth of DPS during that time. No spell in the game lets you cut back to your autoattack if it comes back off CD during the spell cast. Like, give me an example spell for what kind of behavior you're expecting from MF Q?
That's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks.
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Basically you should use MF Q at the same time that you would animation cancel the autoattack. Then the cast animation runs, then you can autoattack again. I think you can cancel some spell animations too, don't know about MF Q.
MF Q feels like it has a relatively long animation, so you might lose DPS if you have high attack speed, but that's just what it feels like for me.
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Unless you can line up two enemy champs, isn't it better to just not Q once you've got high enough crit chances anyway? Her Q can't crit.
Btw, since Irelia's points out that it can't crit, and the worst thing with parrrley is this level 1 crit, I assume stuff like Nasus' Q can to. What does a crit double in this case? Base damage? Total damage? I've seen a (fed) Nasus sheen-Q crit me for almost 800 damage once, in only 20 minutes, so I'm left puzzled as to how he achieved that.
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Only the normal auto damage crits on nasus Q afaik, the bonus damage or sheen damage doesnt crit.
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On December 18 2011 22:59 Alaric wrote:
Unless you can line up two enemy champs, isn't it better to just not Q once you've got high enough crit chances anyway? Her Q can't crit.
Btw, since Irelia's points out that it can't crit, and the worst thing with parrrley is this level 1 crit, I assume stuff like Nasus' Q can to. What does a crit double in this case? Base damage? Total damage? I've seen a (fed) Nasus sheen-Q crit me for almost 800 damage once, in only 20 minutes, so I'm left puzzled as to how he achieved that.
Autoattack modifiers crit off the autoattack damage component (see the Nasus article on the wiki for that fact, plus a test log related to it). Spells that apply on-hit modifiers do not crit normally, but Parrrley is an explicit exception to this.
TBH this is a distinction that people need to be clearer about when they discuss these spells, because they behave differently. An autoattack modifier buffs your next attack, and you release it by performing a normal autoattack, and behave more similarly to autoattacks in most regards. Spells that apply on-hit effects are cast as normal spells, and behave as such, with the exception that on-hit modifiers are applied.
In this case, Irelia Q is a spell that applies on-hit modifiers. It's not an autoattack modifier, so the comparison to Nasus Q is not really warranted, because Nasus Q is an autoattack modifier.
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I remember the description telling explicity that her Q cannot crit at some point, so I thought other spells applying on-hit could. My bad then.
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is there a possibility that RP is getting cheaper for christmas? did they ever do something like this?
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so my ranked 5s elo decayed, is there no way to save it?
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On December 18 2011 23:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so my ranked 5s elo decayed, is there no way to save it?
1v5 the enemy team.
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On December 18 2011 23:38 DoXa wrote:
is there a possibility that RP is getting cheaper for christmas? did they ever do something like this?
I don't believe so, although it makes a great xmas gift!
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On December 18 2011 22:59 Alaric wrote:
Unless you can line up two enemy champs, isn't it better to just not Q once you've got high enough crit chances anyway? Her Q can't crit.
Btw, since Irelia's points out that it can't crit, and the worst thing with parrrley is this level 1 crit, I assume stuff like Nasus' Q can to. What does a crit double in this case? Base damage? Total damage? I've seen a (fed) Nasus sheen-Q crit me for almost 800 damage once, in only 20 minutes, so I'm left puzzled as to how he achieved that.
Base damage ~100, sheen bonus ~100, q flat damage ~100, farmed q damage ~300 (or higher, by 20 minutes, if farming really well), crit on base damage ~100. Then the rest of the damage would be his bonus damage x 2 from crit, so it depends on items. If he only had trinity then it would be ~150 damage from that rather than 100, and 60 damage from trin's 30 ad x 2. Plus some bits of damage from runes/masteries depending what he has. I can see Nasus critting for ~800 at 20 mins if he's farmed well, gotten trinity force, and you have no armour and are sitting in spirit fire (armour reduction for the little base armour you have).
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What I think and hope he means is that making it into a series would include stuff like a script.
Because what he is doing now is really halfed ass. Just think about how great it would be if he did the same thing only he prepared himself beforehand knowing exactly what situations he want to adress and what he wants to say about them and not just winging it.
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Edit: Turned out the stuff I mentioned was intended to be about sydtko, despite salce using LoCis name.
See this:
On December 19 2011 01:39 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 01:04 JackDino wrote:
You sure they weren't talking about sydtko? Cuz sydtko always theorycrafts, is pretty bad compared to the rest and I'm pretty sure saint dislikes him.
Also from my experience, when people are drunk and they talk shit, it's pretty much random shit. This is correct. On SotL, it was SYDTKO that was spouting off with Doublelift that Graves wasn't OP. SYDTKO was talking about how all these different ADs beat him in lane and blah blah blah. Everyone else on the panel was besides themselves that he was defending Graves' initial release strength. I'd imagine he meant to say SYDTKO, but because he was drunk, he just said Loci's name. He probably also has things against Loci (rightly or wrongly) and just pulled the wrong name from his drunken memory.
On December 18 2011 20:26 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 17:47 r.Evo wrote:
wtf. slightly drunk salce ranting about how he and saintvicious think LoCicero has some of the most retarded opinions ever and how much they hate him.
Can someone tell me a story behind that hate? =P
"I'm going through life being 100% honest. Don't get me wrong, RainMan is a really cool guy but I hate how he always talks shit behind a monitor and is all fake and that. But I think he's a really cool guy, I wouldn't talk shit about him."
wat? That seems so incredibly random. I haven't said anything remotely insulting to them recently and they're shit talking me? What is the context of all this? I haven't even played this game much at all in the past month.
The whole part that I watched (like 30 min) was incredibly weird.
When I tuned in he was ranting about Oddone being a cool guy and that he'd never talk badly about him but he is sometimes incredibly stupid when in his games. Then it went over to describing how he would never touch slutty girls in his life, how he respects everyone who hasn't done anything to him and in the part about you was referring to some show you were on (State of the League?) where you apparently said "I think Graves isn't OP". Quote "Saint and me just hate him, he's like all that theorycraft pro but most of his theories are just retarded" followed by "Don't get me wrong I wouldn't talk shit about anyone, but that's just how I feel it is because I'm always 100% honest."
Next he came back to how most people at his college are just as fake as the sluts he talked about before which then lead him to "Don't get me wrong, I think he's a really cool guy but he's often fake and hiding behind a monitor" about Rainman and later the Oddone. Like EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT HE MADE followed the pattern of "Don't get me wrong, I would never talk shit about anyone" *talks shit* "But I think he's a really guy, too, however" *talks shit* "I have to say once again, that's just how I am, not fake and always 100% honest."
I really don't know wtf was going on with him, but to me it felt like one huge drunk rambling. Also he promised to drink every day during his break and stream. I tuned in his stream for like the 2nd time ever, but after 30 minutes of him stating again and again how honest he is and how he would never talk shit about anyone I really got tired of it. From my experience, the more someone says stuff as the above the less he is likely to follow up all that talk with action. Lucky he usually demonstrated that within the next 1-2 sentences.
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You sure they weren't talking about sydtko? Cuz sydtko always theorycrafts, is pretty bad compared to the rest and I'm pretty sure saint dislikes him.
Also from my experience, when people are drunk and they talk shit, it's pretty much random shit.
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On December 19 2011 01:00 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 20:26 LoCicero wrote:On December 18 2011 17:47 r.Evo wrote:
wtf. slightly drunk salce ranting about how he and saintvicious think LoCicero has some of the most retarded opinions ever and how much they hate him.
Can someone tell me a story behind that hate? =P
"I'm going through life being 100% honest. Don't get me wrong, RainMan is a really cool guy but I hate how he always talks shit behind a monitor and is all fake and that. But I think he's a really cool guy, I wouldn't talk shit about him."
wat? That seems so incredibly random. I haven't said anything remotely insulting to them recently and they're shit talking me? What is the context of all this? I haven't even played this game much at all in the past month. The whole part that I watched (like 30 min) was incredibly weird. When I tuned in he was ranting about Oddone being a cool guy and that he'd never talk badly about him but he is sometimes incredibly stupid when in his games. Then it went over to describing how he would never touch slutty girls in his life, how he respects everyone who hasn't done anything to him and the part about you was referring to some show you were on (State of the League?) where you apparently said "I think Graves isn't OP". Quote "Saint and me just hate him, he's like all that theorycraft pro but most of his theories are just retarded" followed by "Don't get me wrong I wouldn't talk shit about anyone, but that's just how I feel it is because I'm always 100% honest." Next he came back to how most people at his college are just as fake as the sluts he talked about before which then lead him to "Don't get me wrong, I think he's a really cool guy but he's often fake and hiding behind a monitor" about Rainman and later the Oddone. Like EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT HE MADE followed the pattern of "Don't get me wrong, I would never talk shit about anyone" *talks shit* "But I think he's a really guy, too, however" *talks shit* "I have to say once again, that's just how I am, not fake and always 100% honest." I really don't know wtf was going on with him, but to me it felt like one huge drunk rambling. Also he promised to drink every day during his break and stream. I tuned in his stream for like the 2nd time ever, but after 30 minutes of him stating again and again how honest he is and how he would never talk shit about anyone I really got tired of it. From my experience, the more someone says stuff as the above the less he is likely to follow up all that talk with action. Lucky he usually demonstrated that within the next 1-2 sentences. Are you not human? Everyone in the entire world thinks like that including you and me.
I think this guy is really cool. But sometimes he does shit that is completly retarded. As with the thing about Graves basicly what he said was "Yea he is a cool guy but sometimes his analysis is just up the walls, I don't get how he can be so good yet make completly fucked judgement calls like that" and filtered it through alcohol. It just means he doesn't dislike the people, he just dislikes certain things about them. You know like every single human being does. We just keep that on the inside cause we're not drunk.
I don't get what you are getting so up and arms about, it's not like he made shit up. 95% of his claims were true and everyone at home went "Yerp that's what they do". We just don't say it out loud to people A: It would hurt their feelings B: It would lead to tention C: They have other qualities that makes up for it and there is no reason hurt friends.
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On December 19 2011 01:07 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 01:00 r.Evo wrote:On December 18 2011 20:26 LoCicero wrote:On December 18 2011 17:47 r.Evo wrote:
wtf. slightly drunk salce ranting about how he and saintvicious think LoCicero has some of the most retarded opinions ever and how much they hate him.
Can someone tell me a story behind that hate? =P
"I'm going through life being 100% honest. Don't get me wrong, RainMan is a really cool guy but I hate how he always talks shit behind a monitor and is all fake and that. But I think he's a really cool guy, I wouldn't talk shit about him."
wat? That seems so incredibly random. I haven't said anything remotely insulting to them recently and they're shit talking me? What is the context of all this? I haven't even played this game much at all in the past month. The whole part that I watched (like 30 min) was incredibly weird. When I tuned in he was ranting about Oddone being a cool guy and that he'd never talk badly about him but he is sometimes incredibly stupid when in his games. Then it went over to describing how he would never touch slutty girls in his life, how he respects everyone who hasn't done anything to him and the part about you was referring to some show you were on (State of the League?) where you apparently said "I think Graves isn't OP". Quote "Saint and me just hate him, he's like all that theorycraft pro but most of his theories are just retarded" followed by "Don't get me wrong I wouldn't talk shit about anyone, but that's just how I feel it is because I'm always 100% honest." Next he came back to how most people at his college are just as fake as the sluts he talked about before which then lead him to "Don't get me wrong, I think he's a really cool guy but he's often fake and hiding behind a monitor" about Rainman and later the Oddone. Like EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT HE MADE followed the pattern of "Don't get me wrong, I would never talk shit about anyone" *talks shit* "But I think he's a really guy, too, however" *talks shit* "I have to say once again, that's just how I am, not fake and always 100% honest." I really don't know wtf was going on with him, but to me it felt like one huge drunk rambling. Also he promised to drink every day during his break and stream. I tuned in his stream for like the 2nd time ever, but after 30 minutes of him stating again and again how honest he is and how he would never talk shit about anyone I really got tired of it. From my experience, the more someone says stuff as the above the less he is likely to follow up all that talk with action. Lucky he usually demonstrated that within the next 1-2 sentences. Are you not human? Everyone in the entire world thinks like that including you and me. I think this guy is really cool. But sometimes he does shit that is completly retarded. As with the thing about Graves basicly what he said was "Yea he is a cool guy but sometimes his analysis is just up the walls, I don't get how he can be so good yet make completly fucked judgement calls like that" and filtered it through alcohol. It just means he doesn't dislike the people, he just dislikes certain things about them. You know like every single human being does. We just keep that on the inside cause we're not drunk. I don't get what you are getting so up and arms about, it's not like he made shit up. 95% of his claims were true and everyone at home went "Yerp that's what they do". We just don't say it out loud to people A: It would hurt their feelings B: It would lead to tention C: They have other qualities that makes up for it and there is no reason hurt friends.
Uh, thinks like what exactly? If you mean the whole "I think he's a cool guy but, ..." that is, honestly, a wording you will only get from me when I do it on purpose because I do realize how we perceive a sentence like that & I'm trained to do so. Using a "but" or "however" in that place always makes the previous statement void in the perception of someone who hears it.
Maybe you're right and it actually is some kind of "I like the guy, but I don't like his actions/thoughts on matter X". The thing is, there is a difference between thinking that, having enough manner and balls to say it to them directly (100% honest my ass) and bringing it out on stream to a broad audience.
I found the whole "RainMan/Oddone are behaving in fake ways and hiding behind a monitor" even worse. If he's not able to control what he says under the influence of alcohol that does not excuse being a total jackass about other people and then saying "Oh, but I think he's a cool guy." to nullify the previous statements.
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On December 19 2011 01:04 JackDino wrote:
You sure they weren't talking about sydtko? Cuz sydtko always theorycrafts, is pretty bad compared to the rest and I'm pretty sure saint dislikes him.
Also from my experience, when people are drunk and they talk shit, it's pretty much random shit.
He definitly said Loci, yes. In case he meant sydtko all we need to find out if he said on some kind of bigger LoL show the whole "I think Graves isn't OP" thing or if that was Loci.
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more adventures of heal+ignite
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On December 18 2011 20:17 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 19:32 Cuddle wrote:
So, in normal draft, what decides what pick you are? Last 15 games I've been last pick (1-2 times I've been 4th pick). been asked a million times. general consensus is that it's more or less random in normal queue unless you're queuing with people
I googled it and found a bunch of LoL-forum threads where people asked and random people answered like you answered above. it's just so highly unlikely given the record I've had lately. Any official statement?
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