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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 18 2011 06:41 GMT
#1681
Thanks for the advice. I don't play Ryze though and I don't wanna do much talking about the match up right now. The only AP I do play that does pretty solid against her is Morgana. I just mean, I hate that there's a champion whose so strong early that I have to completely pick around her and play a champion that is less fun than what I normally play. Which is mostly what I mean by, "she's annoying."
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
December 18 2011 06:43 GMT
#1682
On December 18 2011 15:35 holdthephone wrote:
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On December 18 2011 15:22 overt wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:57 holdthephone wrote:
I thought the general opinion on leblanc is that she's a great noob stomper and not much else. She's incredibly easy to hard counter, whether with MR or a counter pick in champ select.


She gets run in tournies by Regi now. So obviously not just a noob stomper. People have always just said "build MR" as a counter to her but that doesn't really work. LB with a standard build versus an AP mid who's building MR so that he won't die just means LB is going to assassinate your carry midgame while you're completely worthless. Unless you're playing Ryze of course, cause he build MR anyways.

I have also had a few beers so yeah. All I know for sure is that I hate LB, she's not fun to play against at all.

BASICALLY, I'm just trying to say that she's annoying. Maybe not op broken but annoying. And the only advice I've ever heard from high Elo people of, "just build MR," is pretty shitty advice imo.


Hm, well I guess I can't argue with the pros.

As a long time LB player though, these are things that annoy me:

1. Magic resist runes (an AP mid must)
2. Someone who knows how to aggressively auto-attack (LB can do nothing pre-level 6, and her cooldowns do her no favors against auto-attack harass)
3. Health potions (boots+3 against a lb, IMO)

If you start with a dorans ring, there's no way you'll survive the lane. Also keep in mind she can't push lanes for anything. She wants you there for the kill, if you don't give it to her, she'll be 10x less lethal going into mid game. Oh, and exhaust has ruined my day plenty of times.

What? I have a ton of kills pre 6 as Leblanc. Levels 2 3 4 and 5 all have kill potential.

QW does good damage at 2 and 3, QWE is good at 4 and still good at 5.

Obviously her best burst is 6+ but she definitely has kill potential pre 6
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 18 2011 06:46 GMT
#1683
Anyone who can push really fast from a safe distance can make LB unhappy. She can still kill you, but you at least shut down her ability to gank other lanes easily. If I had to run vs LB Id run mr blues, and play brand, cass, or morg. Just go in, blast the lane forward, then immediately retreat.
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petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 18 2011 07:09 GMT
#1684
On December 18 2011 15:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
Anyone who can push really fast from a safe distance can make LB unhappy. She can still kill you, but you at least shut down her ability to gank other lanes easily. If I had to run vs LB Id run mr blues, and play brand, cass, or morg. Just go in, blast the lane forward, then immediately retreat.


exactly my experience. leblanc can't push a wave at all, so if you are pushing the wave then she will really have to extend to pull off her full combo on you. then she will miss out on cs from the tower taking last hits.
I played a gragas once and he just barrel rolled the minion wave to my tower and didn't bother harassing me. A mid gragas is really hard to gank too since he is pushing from a safe distance and has a dash to get away.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
December 18 2011 07:18 GMT
#1685
Thoughts on Anivia? Just played her a few games (free week! :D) and she seems super fun, I even got a double kill while in egg form. Considering buying her, is she considered legit? She's not quite the best when it comes to burst but AoE stuns are hard to come by and her damage isn't shabby. Best lane pusher by far too.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 18 2011 07:25 GMT
#1686
Ahri vs LB is fun too if she gets aggressive too early. While she's about to combo you can still shiftQ+W in her direction and somehow trade enough that she can't risk another trade. v0v

Might have been a stupid LB tho. =S


@Anivia: She was the first 6300 champ I bought and I regretted it completely. As a scrub her attack animation is horrible (if you ever played Dota you'll disagree tho) and her Q/W need very solid predicting and understanding of the game.

However, a strong Anivia is fucking scary. If you're into her don't give up quickly.
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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 18 2011 07:34 GMT
#1687
On December 18 2011 16:18 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Anivia? Just played her a few games (free week! :D) and she seems super fun, I even got a double kill while in egg form. Considering buying her, is she considered legit? She's not quite the best when it comes to burst but AoE stuns are hard to come by and her damage isn't shabby. Best lane pusher by far too.

Anivia is a lot of fun. You can be screwed in mid game without blue, though. And she's sooooo slow (base speed 300). She's not a great teamfighter but poke/defending towers she really excels at.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 18 2011 07:45 GMT
#1688
On December 18 2011 16:34 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 16:18 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Anivia? Just played her a few games (free week! :D) and she seems super fun, I even got a double kill while in egg form. Considering buying her, is she considered legit? She's not quite the best when it comes to burst but AoE stuns are hard to come by and her damage isn't shabby. Best lane pusher by far too.

Anivia is a lot of fun. You can be screwed in mid game without blue, though. And she's sooooo slow (base speed 300). She's not a great teamfighter but poke/defending towers she really excels at.


she's a beast teamfighter
her r makes it impossible for melees to do their thing, her wall can divide teams and wreck people in corridors, and aoe stun and ability to focus with her e make her a big threat whenever she has mana
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 18 2011 07:53 GMT
#1689
dear god I just jungled two games as yi starting doran's blade and it's so fucking good. I'm gonna be trying a couple dblades instead of wriggles on a lot of autoattack junglers now, bet the results will be good

On December 18 2011 15:14 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
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On December 18 2011 15:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
List of champions I can think of off the top of my head that are great noob stompers and not much else:

- Xin
- Master Yi
- Eve
- Mundo

That's... about it. And all of these guys are just a bit subpar at your own level of play, get players who are slightly worse than you in your game and I guess you'll do well, and you can still do fine with them at your own rank. So noob stompers is not even the correct term.

Yi and leblanc are like my favorite champions


well I don't put LB in that category
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 18 2011 07:55 GMT
#1690
Anivia is just one of those champions that feels better to play with a premade. She's definitely not as "easy" as some of the other solo q AP mids. e.g. Sion, Morg, Cass
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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 18 2011 07:58 GMT
#1691
On December 18 2011 16:45 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 16:34 Treadmill wrote:
On December 18 2011 16:18 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Anivia? Just played her a few games (free week! :D) and she seems super fun, I even got a double kill while in egg form. Considering buying her, is she considered legit? She's not quite the best when it comes to burst but AoE stuns are hard to come by and her damage isn't shabby. Best lane pusher by far too.

Anivia is a lot of fun. You can be screwed in mid game without blue, though. And she's sooooo slow (base speed 300). She's not a great teamfighter but poke/defending towers she really excels at.


she's a beast teamfighter
her r makes it impossible for melees to do their thing, her wall can divide teams and wreck people in corridors, and aoe stun and ability to focus with her e make her a big threat whenever she has mana

Yeah, sorry. I was trying to say that shes not as strong as other APs in the "sit in the middle of the fight and do damage" sense while being very valuable in other ways (not that she lacks damage just she has less than Ryze/Karth/etc). You put it better than I could.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 18 2011 07:59 GMT
#1692
On December 18 2011 16:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
Anivia is just one of those champions that feels better to play with a premade. She's definitely not as "easy" as some of the other solo q AP mids. e.g. Sion, Morg, Cass


Teach me how to play Cass she makes zero sense to me ;_;
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 18 2011 08:05 GMT
#1693
On December 18 2011 16:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 16:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
Anivia is just one of those champions that feels better to play with a premade. She's definitely not as "easy" as some of the other solo q AP mids. e.g. Sion, Morg, Cass


Teach me how to play Cass she makes zero sense to me ;_;

Similar to Karthus, press q, do damage.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#1694
Pretty much don't miss your Q and then spam E to free win.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 18 2011 08:13 GMT
#1695
You press Q, miss because the enemy irelia dashed onto you, you panic ult her, but it lasts like 0.6 secs due to mercs and her passive, you drop W under you, get stunned, get hit for over half your hp, you flash, but she procced phage on you already so you miss one more Q and she kills you, then turns on your team.

fml (
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 08:24:43
December 18 2011 08:17 GMT
#1696
On December 18 2011 15:43 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 15:35 holdthephone wrote:
On December 18 2011 15:22 overt wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:57 holdthephone wrote:
I thought the general opinion on leblanc is that she's a great noob stomper and not much else. She's incredibly easy to hard counter, whether with MR or a counter pick in champ select.


She gets run in tournies by Regi now. So obviously not just a noob stomper. People have always just said "build MR" as a counter to her but that doesn't really work. LB with a standard build versus an AP mid who's building MR so that he won't die just means LB is going to assassinate your carry midgame while you're completely worthless. Unless you're playing Ryze of course, cause he build MR anyways.

I have also had a few beers so yeah. All I know for sure is that I hate LB, she's not fun to play against at all.

BASICALLY, I'm just trying to say that she's annoying. Maybe not op broken but annoying. And the only advice I've ever heard from high Elo people of, "just build MR," is pretty shitty advice imo.


Hm, well I guess I can't argue with the pros.

As a long time LB player though, these are things that annoy me:

1. Magic resist runes (an AP mid must)
2. Someone who knows how to aggressively auto-attack (LB can do nothing pre-level 6, and her cooldowns do her no favors against auto-attack harass)
3. Health potions (boots+3 against a lb, IMO)

If you start with a dorans ring, there's no way you'll survive the lane. Also keep in mind she can't push lanes for anything. She wants you there for the kill, if you don't give it to her, she'll be 10x less lethal going into mid game. Oh, and exhaust has ruined my day plenty of times.

What? I have a ton of kills pre 6 as Leblanc. Levels 2 3 4 and 5 all have kill potential.

QW does good damage at 2 and 3, QWE is good at 4 and still good at 5.

Obviously her best burst is 6+ but she definitely has kill potential pre 6


the QW burst leaves you completely naked after it's completed, it's an all in, and and starves tons of mana at the most valuable point in lb's game (she needs the combo at lvl 6). 1 health pot completely rolls back all that damage anyways. everyone wants their dorans ring though, which is why lb is so stupidly good in mid.

if you're facing lb without pots, accept that you're going to be killed. look at your health, apply the math, and blue pill for more MR/health -- it's not like your turret will ever be in danger. you don't need more dorans rings, they're worthless.

ive gotten kills pre 6 plenty of times as well, but i can't really speak highly of those opponents.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 18 2011 08:19 GMT
#1697
this makes me glad I drew those champion flowcharts for my friend

how to lane as Cassiopeia
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
December 18 2011 08:23 GMT
#1698
^ I'm curious to see more of those, especially for some of the more hilarious laners like mordekaiser
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Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 08:30:23
December 18 2011 08:27 GMT
#1699
The above chart is more or less accurate for cassiopiea. You should never die in lane as cassi, other than to a well co-ordinated jungle gank. Her harass is so good, and she out damages anyone in lane. Brand had the potential to kill you from a safe enough distance, but really should be easy to dodge his combos if you go boots first. You just have to be smart about pushing your lane, when its safe, since most ap's try to trade farm with cassi in the early stages of the game.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 18 2011 08:30 GMT
#1700
Three people in my team shouting that yorick counters nasus. Thankfully I managed to dissuade them using... threats.
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