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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 22 2011 16:07 GMT
#2981
So this is a bit premature I'm sure, but looking at his current numbers and cooldowns (found here), do you think Viktor will be a bursty mage or a dps mage? I'm thinking sustained dps, what with a shield and AoE CC, but his base numbers and scaling look pretty high, so I can see it going either way.

No matter what, though, I think it might be a day 1 buy for me. Just too cool.
It's your boy Guzma!
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 22 2011 16:11 GMT
#2982
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.
:)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:13:14
December 22 2011 16:12 GMT
#2983
Looks like a sustained dps mage to me. Probably not Swain or Ryze-level, as he has less damage spells and more burst in his ult, but I find him quite similar to them. Probably more suited to solotop than mid too, since the spotlight (I mean, not official SL, but that thing shown to IGN is obviously spotlight footage) showed that the shield return from his Q isn't instant, I can't see it being too useful to trade against other ranged champs. Not in lane harass at least, 600 range's pretty short too compared to most mid so he'd be hit before he's got his shield.

Also, low-CD protective single-target spell? Rylai please. Kiting Viktor with Rylai and Power Augment might be reminiscent of Vlad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 22 2011 16:13 GMT
#2984
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 22 2011 16:15 GMT
#2985
On December 23 2011 01:13 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.

cause i just skimmed through the last pages lol cause you wrote too much but i don't know why you're writing pages about why the system is flawed when you're clearly just mad you got banned
:)
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:17:32
December 22 2011 16:16 GMT
#2986
On December 23 2011 01:15 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:13 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.

cause i just skimmed through the last pages lol cause you wrote too much but i don't know why you're writing pages about why the system is flawed when you're clearly just mad you got banned
Yea I asumed so and that is fine. I don't expect people to put effort into reading something they are not interested in.
Lets ignore all the arguments and just say "lol u mad". I'm not taking your troll bait, however you are allowed to believe whatever you want.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 22 2011 16:19 GMT
#2987
On December 23 2011 01:12 Alaric wrote:
Looks like a sustained dps mage to me. Probably not Swain or Ryze-level, as he has less damage spells and more burst in his ult, but I find him quite similar to them. Probably more suited to solotop than mid too, since the spotlight (I mean, not official SL, but that thing shown to IGN is obviously spotlight footage) showed that the shield return from his Q isn't instant, I can't see it being too useful to trade against other ranged champs. Not in lane harass at least, 600 range's pretty short too compared to most mid so he'd be hit before he's got his shield.

Also, low-CD protective single-target spell? Rylai please. Kiting Viktor with Rylai and Power Augment might be reminiscent of Vlad.

Ooh, Rylai tanky-dps Viktor in top lane? Anyone without a dash gettin stunned. Rylai to slow, drop AoE, shoot lasers and laugh.
It's your boy Guzma!
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#2988
On December 23 2011 01:06 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:00 mordek wrote:
I think you'll find if you try to exemplify the Summoner's Code in a positive way you'll be a happier person It is a vague philosophy because its impossible to write a rulebook that's comprehensive. They are general guidelines. If you honestly follow them to the best of your ability, no one is going to have any reason to report you. I'm not trying to say I never get angry at people or some jerk doesn't get under my skin from time to time, but you just have to let it go and be positive.

There were always be outliers, people who shouldn't have been banned, but those cases get corrected in most instances. I am interested in the example you gave of the person who got banned and didn't know why but until I see those replays I'm not going to take his word "I can't find what I got perma banned for" with any weight.

So world of warcraft manages it
Starcraft manages it
CS manages it
Dota League manages it
Quake managed it
Broodwar managed it

but for League of Legends it's impossible to make proper non-vague outlines? What makes LoL unique.

And no I'm not taking his word untill i see every single of those replays, and yes I will do that. Bad work habit, but I know how to spot what needs to be spotted and then I will make up my mind about it. HOWEVER there should never ever be a need for anyone to feel like that, they should be told exactly what they got banned for.

I dunno the Summoner's Code basically is Riot saying "DON'T BE A DOUCHE OK" and if your main problem is that Riot doesn't tell you exactly how to not be a douche then you should probably work on your social skills.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 22 2011 16:26 GMT
#2989
Robotic limbs, laser beams and chaos storms, how can that champion not be good?
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 22 2011 16:28 GMT
#2990
Hynda wants Riot to put up "clear" rules so he can "legally" yell at bad players. But that is exactly why the rules are vague, to give people like him no room to argue.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 22 2011 16:29 GMT
#2991
On December 23 2011 01:16 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:15 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:13 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.

cause i just skimmed through the last pages lol cause you wrote too much but i don't know why you're writing pages about why the system is flawed when you're clearly just mad you got banned
Yea I asumed so and that is fine. I don't expect people to put effort into reading something they are not interested in.
Lets ignore all the arguments and just say "lol u mad". I'm not taking your troll bait, however you are allowed to believe whatever you want.

yea this still doesn't explain why you believe you're allowed to be a jerk in game and not get banned just because the summoner's code is "vague"? or are you going to try to say that's not what you're saying at all
:)
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 22 2011 16:31 GMT
#2992
On December 23 2011 01:28 Unentschieden wrote:
Hynda wants Riot to put up "clear" rules so he can "legally" yell at bad players. But that is exactly why the rules are vague, to give people like him no room to argue.

trolololololololol

User was warned for this post
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
December 22 2011 16:33 GMT
#2993
Let's just drop it and keep it positive in our forums ^^
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 22 2011 16:35 GMT
#2994
On December 23 2011 01:31 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:28 Unentschieden wrote:
Hynda wants Riot to put up "clear" rules so he can "legally" yell at bad players. But that is exactly why the rules are vague, to give people like him no room to argue.

trolololololololol


Pendragon actually has a thread up right now where he promises to review Tribunal cases:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=18777530#18777530

I´m shure "trolololololololol" will be a strong argument, good luck.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:38:01
December 22 2011 16:36 GMT
#2995
I wonder how he's going to fare late game though, since one of his item slots is used up.

edit: this is regarding Viktor ofc
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:39:00
December 22 2011 16:37 GMT
#2996
On December 23 2011 01:19 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:12 Alaric wrote:
Looks like a sustained dps mage to me. Probably not Swain or Ryze-level, as he has less damage spells and more burst in his ult, but I find him quite similar to them. Probably more suited to solotop than mid too, since the spotlight (I mean, not official SL, but that thing shown to IGN is obviously spotlight footage) showed that the shield return from his Q isn't instant, I can't see it being too useful to trade against other ranged champs. Not in lane harass at least, 600 range's pretty short too compared to most mid so he'd be hit before he's got his shield.

Also, low-CD protective single-target spell? Rylai please. Kiting Viktor with Rylai and Power Augment might be reminiscent of Vlad.

Ooh, Rylai tanky-dps Viktor in top lane? Anyone without a dash gettin stunned. Rylai to slow, drop AoE, shoot lasers and laugh.


First thing I tought about when I read his skills — but when I read here some weeks ago about the unescapable 1v1 Rylai-Vlad I was so flabbergasted that it stuck in my mind.
Depending on the responsiveness of his ult repositioning mechanic and the radius of his AoE it might be downright broken tho, the numbers are absurd if you manage to keep somebody in for the full duration so with an AoE permaslow added...

I was a bit disappointed by his stun and ult animations but eh, you can't get everything packed in one.


On December 23 2011 01:35 Unentschieden wrote:
Pendragon actually has a thread up right now where he promises to review Tribunal cases:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=18777530#18777530

I´m shure "trolololololololol" will be a strong argument, good luck.


He said he'd stop there after a few pages tho. Understandable, thread's got popular and the checking must take a little time each iteration.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:43:08
December 22 2011 16:38 GMT
#2997
On December 23 2011 01:29 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:16 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:15 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:13 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.

cause i just skimmed through the last pages lol cause you wrote too much but i don't know why you're writing pages about why the system is flawed when you're clearly just mad you got banned
Yea I asumed so and that is fine. I don't expect people to put effort into reading something they are not interested in.
Lets ignore all the arguments and just say "lol u mad". I'm not taking your troll bait, however you are allowed to believe whatever you want.

yea this still doesn't explain why you believe you're allowed to be a jerk in game and not get banned just because the summoner's code is "vague"? or are you going to try to say that's not what you're saying at all
As for getting banned just for giving advice, was just an experiment just to show myself that the summoners code is way to vague and it's super easy to get banned even though you follow it word for word. That has nothing with my personal view of it, it has to do with my professional view of it. It's a joke from a professional standpoint.
From the experiment I concluded:

Player one following the code to a tee: Says A
Player two Breaks the code and tells that player to go fuck himself.
Player one gets banned, player two gets to plan on.
Why does player one get reported. Simply because people asume you're an asshole and only say stuff to be mean.


From a personal standpoint I have a much dimmer view. I hate that companies makes their players walk on eggshells around each other as if they can't take someone being ass, there is an ignore function. Use it. If people were allowed to be as much an absolute dick in chat as they wanted sure the ignore lists would be massive, but those that had valid things to say could communicate with eachother freely. Social Engineering. However that would not work from a professional stand point cause moms and nutballs who fear words like Fuck or cunt would run rampart.
The best way to get people to behave isn't to remove them, it's to remove their voice.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:42:01
December 22 2011 16:39 GMT
#2998
On December 23 2011 01:35 Unentschieden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:31 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:28 Unentschieden wrote:
Hynda wants Riot to put up "clear" rules so he can "legally" yell at bad players. But that is exactly why the rules are vague, to give people like him no room to argue.

trolololololololol


Pendragon actually has a thread up right now where he promises to review Tribunal cases:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=18777530#18777530

I´m shure "trolololololololol" will be a strong argument, good luck.

OH LOOK. you brought up something I allready linked to I stand by my "Trolololololol" comment-
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 16:48:28
December 22 2011 16:44 GMT
#2999
Any game that has rules about insults and such are generally vague in the rules about it. They just say try not to insult people. But generally actual support are told to use their better judgment on the matter, although things like real life threats or insults "Fuck you, I will fuck your mother you piece of shit" (like that) are frowned upon fully. >_>

I've never in my life played a game/been on a forum that had rules against insults where it wasn't vague. You simply CAN'T be specific about such things.

edit: Also, the ignore function is more of a band-aid and temporary fix for the person who has to deal with people talking trash. The point of bans is to punish someone and try to teach them a lesson for what they did wrong. Obviously, it doesn't always work. But the point of bans has always been to punish someone to try to either teach them a lesson or to remove them permanently from the game if they don't learn their behavior isn't acceptable.

Riot's only real problem is they don't tell the accused what they did wrong. They're missing the full point of a ban system. zzz
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#3000
On December 23 2011 01:38 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 01:29 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:16 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:15 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:13 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 01:11 unichan wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:58 Hynda wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:55 starfries wrote:
On December 23 2011 00:49 Hynda wrote:
You could get a guy that think what you did was right and pardon you or you could get one that will ban you, because they are humans to and will interperate the code differently.

Were you expecting a robot or something? And you post on TL, where mods can ban to their discretion and don't have to give you a detailed explanation. It's not like it's a unique situation. It's Riot's game, they can ban whomever they want.

But there is a hell of different situation when you have outlined rules that you can refer back to. Riot doesn't use that. A rioter is allowed to ban you cause he had a bad day and felt like punishing someone. I've never once stated that they can't do whatever the fuck they want to do. What started this was that I called Riots tribunal and banning staff a joke. Which is something I still hold firm to.

people don't want your criticism, deal with it
if you know what you did wrong and you don't want to be banned anymore then stop doing it
it's annoying as fuck when someone who thinks he's god at the game and believes he is clearly better than anyone else playing thinks he deserves to tell other people what they're doing wrong. contrary to popular belief, many players are actually aware of when they fucked up and they don't need you to rub it in their face.

You seem to have missed the point entierly. I don't blame you for it but there isn't really anything I can respond to here, since it's not relevant.

cause i just skimmed through the last pages lol cause you wrote too much but i don't know why you're writing pages about why the system is flawed when you're clearly just mad you got banned
Yea I asumed so and that is fine. I don't expect people to put effort into reading something they are not interested in.
Lets ignore all the arguments and just say "lol u mad". I'm not taking your troll bait, however you are allowed to believe whatever you want.

yea this still doesn't explain why you believe you're allowed to be a jerk in game and not get banned just because the summoner's code is "vague"? or are you going to try to say that's not what you're saying at all
As for getting banned just for giving advice, was just an experiment just to show myself that the summoners code is way to vague and it's super easy to get banned even though you follow it word for word. That has nothing with my personal view of it, it has to do with my professional view of it. It's a joke from a professional standpoint.
From the experiment I concluded:

Player one following the code to a tee: Says A
Player two Breaks the code and tells that player to go fuck himself.
Player one gets banned, player two gets to plan on.
Why does player one get reported. Simply because people asume you're an asshole and only say stuff to be mean.


From a personal standpoint I have a much dimmer view. I hate that companies makes their players walk on eggshells around each other as if they can't take someone being ass, there is an ignore function. Use it. If people were allowed to be as much an absolute dick in chat as they wanted sure the ignore lists would be massive, but those that had valid things to say could communicate with eachother freely. Social Engineering.

sux that you feel that way man
what experiment btw, did you play on one account being the helpful douche and on another being the super douche? if you would like to elaborate on that or if you already have please point it out to me cause i don't see how you arrived at that conclusion
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