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On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players?
Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways.
And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_>
In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it"
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On December 03 2011 01:22 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:20 unichan wrote:On December 03 2011 01:16 NeoIllusions wrote:On December 03 2011 01:15 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 03 2011 01:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Getting paid 1K to play a normal game with SotO Shaco. Pretty nice gig Shushei. :>
Makes me wonder why I don't stream... huehue. Online ads are so imba. Cuz no one but us and high elo players have any idea who the fuck you are. Rhetorical question, TD. zz I actually don't stream because my internet upload is pretty shitty. How much upload do you need? I have a better computer now so I might stream myself playing random shit for my RL friends, but idk stuff. I don't even know if my computer is good enough. Make an account on owned and try it out. My comp can handle decent settings, but I have yet to figure out how to make it so I dont drop fps when my stream is on.
I remember when I used to stream, I got 2k ping and like 5 fps, lolol. Then I'd stream myself playing tetris or something and severely underperform due to computer being slow. 
On December 03 2011 01:25 daemir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players? Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways. And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_> In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it"
No, no one has to be featured, that's the point.
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If Riot decided they want to feature players, then yea, I guess someone does have to be first?
It's not like Riot is the first company to feature prominent players/teams on their game? Blizzard's got raiding guilds do live raids in Blizzcons for WoW have they not? "Why this guild and not this"
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On December 03 2011 01:28 daemir wrote:
If Riot decided they want to feature players, then yea, I guess someone does have to be first?
It's not like Riot is the first company to feature prominent players/teams on their game? Blizzard's got raiding guilds do live raids in Blizzcons for WoW have they not? "Why this guild and not this"
Its not the same. This is riot paying sushei over other equally deserving streamers, not to mention the fact that it is much more than a 1 off event- sushei gonna get paid a LOT more over time now because of this bump.
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I personally don't care about whether or not Riot features streamers, I'm just pointing out that the counter argument for this isn't against Shushei, it's that this shouldn't be implemented at all. I don't care whether they do this or not at all, but I disagree with T_D's post many pages ago that saint would be great but never featured because he drinks da alcohol on stream which sets a bad example for young children like me!
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On December 03 2011 01:33 unichan wrote:
I personally don't care about whether or not Riot features streamers, I'm just pointing out that the counter argument for this isn't against Shushei, it's that this shouldn't be implemented at all. I don't care whether they do this or not at all, but I disagree with T_D's post many pages ago that saint would be great but never featured because he drinks da alcohol on stream which sets a bad example for young children like me!
Ur an alcoholic already?
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I think a lot of you are up in arms over something pretty trivial. What is this equality nonsense? Riot can spotlight a streamer if they want. If you think you deserve a shot, go contact them. I'm sure it's ridiculously easy for any player from a top team to reach out to Riot for any request.
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On December 03 2011 01:25 daemir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players? Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways. And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_> In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it"
My point is NO ONE should be featured by Riot. There is no one person more deserving than Riot's countless other loyal customers.
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On December 03 2011 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
I think a lot of you are up in arms over something pretty trivial. What is this equality nonsense? Riot can spotlight a streamer if they want. If you think you deserve a shot, go contact them. I'm sure it's ridiculously easy for any player from a top team to reach out to Riot for any request.
It's not trivial because it's about Riot's philosophy of making one player more valued than everyone else. There's a reason the pros are so upset by this; NOT everyone will get featured. It's not even about being good enough; it's purely subjective.
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If I was a streamer I'd probably be jealous that Shushei got all the free advertising, but I don't really see why people seem to think it's morally wrong for Riot to feature someone. They're just upholding him as an example of what kind of LoL player they want to see, and encouraging people to check out streams (which is good for all streamers).
On December 03 2011 01:39 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
I think a lot of you are up in arms over something pretty trivial. What is this equality nonsense? Riot can spotlight a streamer if they want. If you think you deserve a shot, go contact them. I'm sure it's ridiculously easy for any player from a top team to reach out to Riot for any request. It's not trivial because it's about Riot's philosophy of making one player more valued than everyone else. There's a reason the pros are so upset by this; NOT everyone will get featured. It's not even about being good enough; it's purely subjective.
It IS subjective, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. I'd rather have them feature someone who is subjectively a nice person and interesting to watch than someone who hit some standard of "high Elo player" but rages all the time.
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On December 03 2011 01:39 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:25 daemir wrote:On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players? Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways. And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_> In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it" My point is NO ONE should be featured by Riot. There is no one person more deserving than Riot's countless other loyal customers.
There definitely are some people more deserving than others. Not sure what your problem is...all they did is put a link to a great player's stream on their website. If other great players want to be featured I'm sure they can contact Riot and find out the criteria for being chosen and work on improving their own streams.
If part of that criteria is not to be a rager that swears constantly then that's completely Riot's prerogative.
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The only rough part about featuring streamers is the money aspect of it. Riot is basically handing cash to Shushei right now for something he'd be doing anyway. Outside of that, I wonder what percentage of LoL players are the type to go out and learn that streams exist on their own? I've often wondered that about SC2, as well -- what percentage of the playerbase doesn't read sites like TL.net? I've personally met many people who tell me they play Starcraft but have no idea about the community.
That being said, every LoL noobie who just plays and goes to the league website every once in a while that starts watching streams due to this feature = more hardcore fans for Riot (presumedly). More hardcore fans = more ESPORTS legitimacy = nothing but good things for Riot.
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It's amazing how the community managed to spin the spotlight as a negative.
1. Riot gets more people to watch streams.
2. Streamers make money, and now they have a chance to make MORE money?!
How can this be a bad thing for streamers? Are streamers just butthurt to see other streamers succeed as well?
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On December 03 2011 00:34 Shanba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:54 shinarit wrote:
Question i dont really have the time and possibility to answer. If i get Sona's power chord with only ultimates, with no aura active, what its effect will be? I tried it out in a custom game cause I was bored. You have the "power chord ready" buff but you don't shoot a power chord at all.
And you get the power chord status, and you cant expend it? No matter what you do, if you dont use qwe, you will only do normal attacks, and with r you wont get overchorded or something? And if you use qwe, than you can expend it, right?
Thanks for the test anyways 
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On December 03 2011 01:39 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:25 daemir wrote:On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players? Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways. And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_> In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it" My point is NO ONE should be featured by Riot. There is no one person more deserving than Riot's countless other loyal customers. EDIT: Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
I think a lot of you are up in arms over something pretty trivial. What is this equality nonsense? Riot can spotlight a streamer if they want. If you think you deserve a shot, go contact them. I'm sure it's ridiculously easy for any player from a top team to reach out to Riot for any request. It's not trivial because it's about Riot's philosophy of making one player more valued than everyone else. There's a reason the pros are so upset by this; NOT everyone will get featured. It's not even about being good enough; it's purely subjective.
Why does being selected mean you're more valuable? That's the correlation that I don't get and don't agree with. Riot wants to do some PR and publicity. They find someone that they think is suitable. No, not every streamer is going to get a chance. This isn't a competition where people have a fair chance. This is more like a lottery. Are people really going to get mad about not being selected for something they didn't even apply for? Where is this entitlement coming from?
To more specifics, I can totally see why Riot would choose someone like Shushei to spotlight, as opposed to saint from CLG or Regi from TSM. On one hand, players like saint and Regi rack up huge viewership numbers even without Riot's help. Second, since this is a PR move, they want to show a suitable candidate. There's nothing negative anyone can say about Shushei. The guy is skilled, mannered, and doesn't rage. Why wouldn't Riot pick someone like him and who wouldn't expect him to be Riot's pick?
As for pros being upset about not being selected, did this really happen? Or are you predicting this?
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On December 03 2011 01:43 Shifft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:39 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:25 daemir wrote:On December 03 2011 01:22 Sandster wrote:On December 03 2011 01:12 DrKlingmann wrote:On December 03 2011 00:40 Sandster wrote:
I'm not against the idea of a highlighted streamer, but Riot absolutely should not be doing it.
I mean seriously - first a spotlight to draw people's attention, then ANOTHER announcement saying "He's streaming now come look!"?? I have nothing against Shushei - I think he's a good player and has a very helpful stream - but Riot should not be handing him money like that. Can you imagine if Blizzard picks a SC2 streamer and publishes it on their website, or if the NBA hands a check to what they decide to be a "helpful" player?
Saying other streamers will be featured does not help. The first featured streamer will generate much more buzz and attention than subsequent ones.
Riot has always been micromanaging everything related to their game, but they seriously need to stop picking favorites like this. It's extremely biased and subjective (why were Salce and TreeEskimo not picked? they are very manner and have helpful streams). If Riot wants to promote good behavior on streams, this is not the way to do it. Well.. and I disagree.. there you have it. Now who is right about what RIOT should and what RIOT shouldn't do? :-P And I have to say your last sentence is completely false. In my opinion if RIOT wants to promote good behavior it's exactly the way to do it. I don't mean it's not effective; I mean it's not really appropriate. Riot is the creator of the game and should be as impartial as possible to individual players, because otherwise it's unequal treatment for its player base. If you don't agree with this then...well, we just have different perspectives. I listed Salce and Tree as two players that not many people talk about as streamers, but meet the criteria just as well as Shusei (and I think Salce has about the same average viewers). Why was Shusei selected and not one of the countless skilled, mannered, and well known players? Because Shushei and his team won season 1, and with season 2 just started and the huge prize pool announced, it makes sense to use someone who you can easily link to recent events? Advertisement both ways. And in any case, someone has to be the first to get featured and if it was someone else then we'd ask why not shushei >_> In LoL terms, that's some results backing and then you'd have to ask "well wth you have to do to get featured if even shushei didn't make it" My point is NO ONE should be featured by Riot. There is no one person more deserving than Riot's countless other loyal customers. There definitely are some people more deserving than others. Not sure what your problem is...all they did is put a link to a great player's stream on their website. If other great players want to be featured I'm sure they can contact Riot and find out the criteria for being chosen and work on improving their own streams. If part of that criteria is not to be a rager that swears constantly then that's completely Riot's prerogative.
There are some players who are definitely more deserving than others, but there isn't a *single* streamer who is heads and toes above everyone else. I've listed a few, and others have as well.
What Riot did here doesn't personally affect me, but it affects the livelihoods of all the players who rely on streaming. Having Shusei featured is a huge slap in the face for pretty much everyone else, especially those who DO have quality streams but not HSGG-level viewers.
"All they did is put a link" which in effect gave him thousands of dollars in ONE DAY (and plenty more to follow, due to the new advertisement). There is no better way to get advertised than Riot's front page, and every single streamer would jump at the opportunity to have been the first one featured.
Riot has featured event coverages before, which is great because it draws attention to all the teams involved (and if you're not in the tournament, well, you weren't good enough to qualify). But this is literally singling out a single person and putting all the attention on him (and his revenue generator).
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Right now HSGG is at 7k, and sushei is at 18k. TRY to tell me that this policy isnt negatively affecting other streamers.
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On December 03 2011 01:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Right now HSGG is at 7k, and sushei is at 18k. TRY to tell me that this policy isnt negatively affecting other streamers.
They aren't forced to watch him over Hotshot rofl.
Maybe they never knew about Shushei and now that they found out they prefer him over other streamers.
On another note +1 for manner Hotshot,regardless if he decided to really be nice or he's just nice because hes talking to a girl while streaming
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Not that hotshot is any bit short of money, lol.
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I'm not sure how I feel about the spotlight.. but are people like Hotshot going to lose streamers to shushei now? I feel like if people were watching streams, they already new about shushei. This probably just gets more people watching any stream really.
Edit: looks like I've already been answered... lol
On December 03 2011 01:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Right now HSGG is at 7k, and sushei is at 18k. TRY to tell me that this policy isnt negatively affecting other streamers.
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On December 03 2011 01:47 Miiike wrote:
The only rough part about featuring streamers is the money aspect of it. Riot is basically handing cash to Shushei right now for something he'd be doing anyway. Outside of that, I wonder what percentage of LoL players are the type to go out and learn that streams exist on their own? I've often wondered that about SC2, as well -- what percentage of the playerbase doesn't read sites like TL.net? I've personally met many people who tell me they play Starcraft but have no idea about the community.
That being said, every LoL noobie who just plays and goes to the league website every once in a while that starts watching streams due to this feature = more hardcore fans for Riot (presumedly). More hardcore fans = more ESPORTS legitimacy = nothing but good things for Riot.
By the very act of streaming, you're getting money for something you'd be doing anyway (playing LoL). I don't know why people have a huge problem with the fact sometimes people get lucky and get free publicity. It happens in the entertainment industry all the time - someone famous plugs an artist they like and suddenly more people buy their albums.
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