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On December 01 2011 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just kinda had a thought. What if they changed the way exp works so that whoever smites a creep gets that exp and gold, regardless of who kills the minion. That way handing off blue doesnt suck so bad since you get the scaling exp and gold.
what happens with two smites?
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I figured out this new Jungle. You need to put a stun in everylane and jungle Orianna.
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You'd pick 1st or last, obviously. But it's really a meh change regardless.
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On December 01 2011 02:41 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just kinda had a thought. What if they changed the way exp works so that whoever smites a creep gets that exp and gold, regardless of who kills the minion. That way handing off blue doesnt suck so bad since you get the scaling exp and gold. what happens with two smites?
Whoever has the later smite. Of course, it needs to be from someone on the same team in order to work, so no jacking exp from the other team if you miss smite or they steal it.
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On December 01 2011 02:45 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 02:41 redtooth wrote:On December 01 2011 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just kinda had a thought. What if they changed the way exp works so that whoever smites a creep gets that exp and gold, regardless of who kills the minion. That way handing off blue doesnt suck so bad since you get the scaling exp and gold. what happens with two smites? Whoever has the later smite. Of course, it needs to be from someone on the same team in order to work, so no jacking exp from the other team if you miss smite or they steal it.
Part of the tradeoff of giving blue is losing the xp and gold.
So no, I don't like this idea.
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On December 01 2011 02:47 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 02:45 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 01 2011 02:41 redtooth wrote:On December 01 2011 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just kinda had a thought. What if they changed the way exp works so that whoever smites a creep gets that exp and gold, regardless of who kills the minion. That way handing off blue doesnt suck so bad since you get the scaling exp and gold. what happens with two smites? Whoever has the later smite. Of course, it needs to be from someone on the same team in order to work, so no jacking exp from the other team if you miss smite or they steal it. Part of the tradeoff of giving blue is losing the xp and gold. So no, I don't like this idea.
Only the current issue is that there IS no gold and exp in the jungle, and you have to give away blue or your mid will lose. So its no win.
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It's almost like I predicted this.
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On December 01 2011 02:20 -Kato- wrote:
Ok, I just saw something amazing.
The Shaco in my team: goes blue, places some boxes, then leaves. Goes to red, puts boxes, and I'm like... this gonna be special. 1:55, Blue dies to his boxes, he kills red, 2:10 lvl 2 shaco with double buff.
Abuse it while you can!
this isn't anything new
before the jungle rework you could do this with 32 flat ap from runes
4 boxes at blue
2 at red + smite
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On December 01 2011 02:26 Sandster wrote:
Not 100% certain but I believe it's 5 boxes at blue.
4 are enough. You will kill the Golem with 4, the golem and 1 of his adds with 5.
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Why do you even need to box red at all? Just get someone to leash it for you, and use the other 2 boxes to do wolves or something.
For some reason, people never want leashes on Shaco, despite the fact that his passive makes it so that getting a leash is extremely good.
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On December 01 2011 01:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 01:56 Unentschieden wrote:
Another thing is that the jungler position is supposed to be optional, not mandatory. For that to be the case the jungler position needs to have tradeoffs and non-unique advantages.
Junglers have the advantage of having easy access to the buffs and are constantly hidden by the fog of war. With the current setup they are also unlikely to get comperativly low hp-wise.
In theory running 2-1-2 is fine if the sidelanes are capable of taking/protecting the jungleresources. Fuck that, I don't want jungling to be optional.
Yep.
Too many people want to turn this game into DotA.
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with new weaker jungle mobs couldnt u box all 3 weaker spawns? i know you arent getting blue buff like this im just curious
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On December 01 2011 02:56 TheYango wrote:
Why do you even need to box red at all? Just get someone to leash it for you, and use the other 2 boxes to do wolves or something.
For some reason, people never want leashes on Shaco, despite the fact that his passive makes it so that getting a leash is extremely good.
it will take more than 2 boxes to take wolves
i know wraiths take 4
the point of his passive in the jungle is so that the boxes aggro the minions and cause them to face away from you. the problem is that leashing into boxes causes them to aggro wierdly
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On December 01 2011 02:57 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 01:58 TheYango wrote:On December 01 2011 01:56 Unentschieden wrote:
Another thing is that the jungler position is supposed to be optional, not mandatory. For that to be the case the jungler position needs to have tradeoffs and non-unique advantages.
Junglers have the advantage of having easy access to the buffs and are constantly hidden by the fog of war. With the current setup they are also unlikely to get comperativly low hp-wise.
In theory running 2-1-2 is fine if the sidelanes are capable of taking/protecting the jungleresources. Fuck that, I don't want jungling to be optional. Yep. Too many people want to turn this game into DotA.
I think there are a lot of things that this game could learn from others in the genre, but the jungle is one of the things that's distinctly different about LoL, and is one of the things I feel they got right.
On December 01 2011 02:58 Frolossus wrote:
it will take more than 2 boxes to take wolves
i know wraiths take 4
No, I'm saying you actually do the wolves, not just box them and leave them. Put 4 boxes at blue. Do wolves with a box/some help at 1:40, then run to red and get someone to leash that, while the blue is doing itself.
On December 01 2011 02:58 Frolossus wrote:
the point of his passive in the jungle is so that the boxes aggro the minions and cause them to face away from you. the problem is that leashing into boxes causes them to aggro wierdly
I'm not saying they leash the red into boxes. I'm saying they leash the red like they would for any other jungler. A proper leash should mean that you can autoattack the buff 1-2 times after it re-aggros to you and then smite it, without even having to use a box for it.
Like, it's not an issue of "I don't need a leash so I'm not going to get one". Your laners have nothing better to do from 1:40-1:55, so they may as well be helping you.
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On December 01 2011 02:56 TheYango wrote:
Why do you even need to box red at all? Just get someone to leash it for you, and use the other 2 boxes to do wolves or something.
For some reason, people never want leashes on Shaco, despite the fact that his passive makes it so that getting a leash is extremely good.
I run him
3x AS Red
6x ArP Red
9x Armor Yellow
9x AS Blue
3x AD Quints
21/0/9 w/o Spellpen
and start boots 3 Pots. It's been my setup before the remake and I haven't changed it. You don't need a leash at red, 1 box and smite is enough, even w/o Cloth Armor. The only problem is that you don't hit 3 off of blue+red because you don't kill the little minions at blue, so I guess your idea might be pretty good. Wolves->Blue being done by boxes->Red->gank lane.
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On December 01 2011 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just kinda had a thought. What if they changed the way exp works so that whoever smites a creep gets that exp and gold, regardless of who kills the minion. That way handing off blue doesnt suck so bad since you get the scaling exp and gold.
Improved smite gives xx xp in addition to 10bonus gold? Or maybe just normal smite.
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On December 01 2011 02:41 NotSorry wrote:
Tribunal is broken I think, gotten the same case 4 times now
Yeah getting similar issues also >.< .
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The jungling is the main reason I picked lol over hon/dota2 and now they gone and fucked it all up
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On December 01 2011 03:46 NotSorry wrote:
The jungling is the main reason I picked lol over hon/dota2 and now they gone and fucked it all up
What is jungling like in HoN and DotA?
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