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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 2

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Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
November 29 2011 03:50 GMT
#21
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
November 29 2011 03:50 GMT
#22
Not sure, but that feels like a small jarvan buff to me, late game buff for sure.

Does martial cadence doing physical damage mean that it will now benefit from armor penetration?
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 29 2011 03:51 GMT
#23
On November 29 2011 12:49 Craton wrote:It's also a buff to sustain laners.


Very true, means they will have to fix those guys more than ever.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:53:09
November 29 2011 03:52 GMT
#24
On November 29 2011 12:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.

According to stonewall, the jungle is so raped that you end up full HP anyway without help.

I dislike this change, as it's going to make giving blue/red away more painful to the jungler who is already going to be weaker.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 29 2011 03:54 GMT
#25
Man, that Kat change got switched real quick.
It's your boy Guzma!
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 03:54 GMT
#26
HEY GUYS

HEY GUYS

REMEMBER THAT COOL CHANGE WE GAVE TO KATARINA TO GIVE HER MORE VIABILITY

HA HA WE TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE REALIZED IT WAS POINTLESS

User was warned for this post
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 29 2011 03:55 GMT
#27
On November 29 2011 12:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.


Wait, all creeps? That would dwarf all other changes by far.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:56:29
November 29 2011 03:55 GMT
#28
Hate the jungle changes so much. Healing sigil is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of. There is zero incentive to counterjungle and less incentive to leave the jungle to gank. Depending on how much the sigils heal you could probably never ever have to buy potions as a jungler either.

Grats to Riot catering to the nubs. It's like they don't even realize that a ton of aggression at high levels in early game is due to jungle control, which is now neutered.
On November 29 2011 12:55 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.


Wait, all creeps? That would dwarf all other changes by far.

not all creeps, just neutrals
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 04:00:39
November 29 2011 03:57 GMT
#29


nvm, apparently just jungle mobs
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
November 29 2011 03:57 GMT
#30
On November 29 2011 12:55 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.


Wait, all creeps? That would dwarf all other changes by far.


No, only the jungle creeps. And okay Craton, I guess will have to wait to play it to see properly, though I really dislike the changes from the look of it.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 29 2011 03:59 GMT
#31
On November 29 2011 12:54 dnastyx wrote:
HEY GUYS

HEY GUYS

REMEMBER THAT COOL CHANGE WE GAVE TO KATARINA TO GIVE HER MORE VIABILITY

HA HA WE TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE REALIZED IT WAS POINTLESS


Honestly I give them points for realizing it was a mistake.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
November 29 2011 04:03 GMT
#32
On November 29 2011 12:34 Alzadar wrote:
Carry over response:

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On November 29 2011 12:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Too bad Morgana hard counters Kassadin ^_^


morgana doesn't counter kassadin at all.

if kassadin can last hit well at tower at least


What can a Kassadin do against a Morgana with quick reaction time? Null Sphere is slow enough to shield it in the air, unless it's point blank range in which case you shield as soon as he jumps. Without the silence I don't see how he's any match for Morgana.


?

if you use black shield against kassadin Q's as morgana you lose lane, not only is it a waste of mana as w will help you more with your hp by spellvamping, but also jungle is 100% going to gank you because you will be pushing right onto his tower as kassadin couldn't push his lane if he tried.

the only thing that you can do is honestly keep pushing his wave to tower and outfarm him, but only if he's bad at last hitting at tower, and the only way to win is to ward both sides and try and kill his tower.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 04:05 GMT
#33
Apparently epik "won" the lower seed for the final Kiev qualifier and gets V8 in round 1.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 29 2011 04:07 GMT
#34
On November 29 2011 13:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently epik "won" the lower seed for the final Kiev qualifier and gets V8 in round 1.


Is Curse playing Dignitas then or did they get shafted with the shitty seed for being pussies in the first place?
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 29 2011 04:07 GMT
#35
For those of you who think you can do a better job than the guys at Riot, you may be interested in this opportunity.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 29 2011 04:08 GMT
#36
On November 29 2011 13:03 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:34 Alzadar wrote:
Carry over response:

On November 29 2011 12:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On November 29 2011 12:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Too bad Morgana hard counters Kassadin ^_^


morgana doesn't counter kassadin at all.

if kassadin can last hit well at tower at least


What can a Kassadin do against a Morgana with quick reaction time? Null Sphere is slow enough to shield it in the air, unless it's point blank range in which case you shield as soon as he jumps. Without the silence I don't see how he's any match for Morgana.


?

if you use black shield against kassadin Q's as morgana you lose lane, not only is it a waste of mana as w will help you more with your hp by spellvamping, but also jungle is 100% going to gank you because you will be pushing right onto his tower as kassadin couldn't push his lane if he tried.

the only thing that you can do is honestly keep pushing his wave to tower and outfarm him, but only if he's bad at last hitting at tower, and the only way to win is to ward both sides and try and kill his tower.


^this guy speaks truth... its mad scary to lane against kass because you can't spell shield every q...


awww mann... I just bought Karthus too but yea that wall was so gay -.-
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
November 29 2011 04:10 GMT
#37
On November 29 2011 13:03 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:34 Alzadar wrote:
Carry over response:

On November 29 2011 12:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On November 29 2011 12:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Too bad Morgana hard counters Kassadin ^_^


morgana doesn't counter kassadin at all.

if kassadin can last hit well at tower at least


What can a Kassadin do against a Morgana with quick reaction time? Null Sphere is slow enough to shield it in the air, unless it's point blank range in which case you shield as soon as he jumps. Without the silence I don't see how he's any match for Morgana.


?

if you use black shield against kassadin Q's as morgana you lose lane, not only is it a waste of mana as w will help you more with your hp by spellvamping, but also jungle is 100% going to gank you because you will be pushing right onto his tower as kassadin couldn't push his lane if he tried.

the only thing that you can do is honestly keep pushing his wave to tower and outfarm him, but only if he's bad at last hitting at tower, and the only way to win is to ward both sides and try and kill his tower.


I don't know about using black shield on kass Q, but morgana should never die in that lane pre 6 to jungle ganks, and should rarely die after that. Pre-6 you push the lane into he tower and force him to lose farm. If jungle shows up you black shield and walk back to your tower.

Post 6 you pretty much have to black shield if Kass rifts on you or else you eat his entire burst. By that time you should have catalyst and mana should not be that much of an issue. If you don't black shield his burst, you risk being silenced/slowed and having the jungler appear, besides the fact that you can't keep spellvamping Kassadin's full combo back.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 04:11 GMT
#38
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/lol/5on5/global_challenge_kiev_finals/rankings/

For anyone interested in Kiev
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 29 2011 04:13 GMT
#39
Weren't there European qualifiers for Kiev too...I could have sworn I read something about SK and Fnatic not qualifying for Kiev.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 04:16 GMT
#40
Ya but their euros and wont win anyway so who cares.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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