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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 5

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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 29 2011 05:48 GMT
#81
On November 29 2011 14:42 unichan wrote:
ap sivir is dead
i quit


oh, is that all they had to do?
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
November 29 2011 05:55 GMT
#82
On November 29 2011 14:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:42 unichan wrote:
ap sivir is dead
i quit


oh, is that all they had to do?


unibro complains about AP sivir, but never plays sivir.
FADC
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 05:56 GMT
#83
On November 29 2011 14:55 rwrzr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:42 unichan wrote:
ap sivir is dead
i quit


oh, is that all they had to do?


unibro complains, but never plays.

Fixd
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
November 29 2011 06:00 GMT
#84
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 29 2011 06:01 GMT
#85
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

which isn't too much of a problem because his teamfight presence is gigantic even if he gets destroyed in lane
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 29 2011 06:04 GMT
#86
On November 29 2011 15:01 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

which isn't too much of a problem because his teamfight presence is gigantic even if he gets destroyed in lane

yah. imo they should buff scaling very slightly (like...0.1 scaling increase) and nerf his base damage on his ulti. i've seen too many wukongs just fail in lane and dominate fights anyways cause that ultimate is so damn strong even with minimum items
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 29 2011 06:04 GMT
#87
These jungle changes seem drastic and haphazard...

Time to bust out a lot of old favorites.

Jungle Olaf coming back and going to be a strong contender if the farm is really improved that much.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 29 2011 06:05 GMT
#88
I actually got destroyed in a Wukong Vayne lane earlier this week. Support Wukong is ridiculous bottom early on ^_^ Between his armor debuff and his ultimate he has a bit of utility without farm as well.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 29 2011 06:06 GMT
#89
On November 29 2011 15:04 STS17 wrote:
These jungle changes seem drastic and haphazard...

Time to bust out a lot of old favorites.

Jungle Olaf coming back and going to be a strong contender if the farm is really improved that much.

iunno bout that. olaf's problem was always that he needs more gold than jungle gives and his ganks are very mediocre since he has no gap closer and is super reliant on landing his Qs to close the distance. it's easier to just go afkfarm mode in jungle with the changes, but i doubt the jungle will generate nearly enough gold for olaf to be worth it.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#90
By the way a few days ago I played against someone who said your name, was that you?


who was it? o_o
cool beans
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#91
On November 29 2011 15:01 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

which isn't too much of a problem because his teamfight presence is gigantic even if he gets destroyed in lane


But you're giving the enemy solotop free farm. My experience playing nasus vs. wukong is buy a cloth armor => ignore him except for qing him if hes nearby => get absurdly high numbers on q really quickly => oneshot people. I think wukong is really strong if you have a lane that he does ok in but weak if hes against a strong laner who scales well.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 29 2011 06:19 GMT
#92
On November 29 2011 15:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:04 STS17 wrote:
These jungle changes seem drastic and haphazard...

Time to bust out a lot of old favorites.

Jungle Olaf coming back and going to be a strong contender if the farm is really improved that much.

iunno bout that. olaf's problem was always that he needs more gold than jungle gives and his ganks are very mediocre since he has no gap closer and is super reliant on landing his Qs to close the distance. it's easier to just go afkfarm mode in jungle with the changes, but i doubt the jungle will generate nearly enough gold for olaf to be worth it.


Jungle spawns are quicker and they have increased the gold value of the camps. Both of these promote farming in the jungle instead of trying to gank lanes meaning there is a greater emphasis on his strength (clearing camps quickly and farming the jungle) than his weakness (ganking lanes) so this is an indirect buff to him.

Of course this is all speculation, not to mention relative since the other jungler will be getting more farm as well, but if my suspicion that they are trying to bring jungle-farm in line with lane-farm is correct then things should turn out well.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
November 29 2011 06:21 GMT
#93
When is this patch going live on EU ?
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#94
saint's stream is #1 at the moment. Drunk saint is making best calls and proclaiming Shyvana OP.
Zero fighting.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:23:21
November 29 2011 06:23 GMT
#95
saintvicious the drunken master of lol

also Regi is really bad at kennen
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
November 29 2011 06:25 GMT
#96
you've been waiting your whole life to make the general discussion thread haven't you
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red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
November 29 2011 06:40 GMT
#97
I hate farmed Shyvana.

She, a bit like J4, feels basically unkillable when stacking health. It is true that she doesnt scale very hard, but she definitely gets to a point where killing her in a reasonable amount of time isnt going to happen, especially because you dont want to focus her.

she pushes very, very fast too.

so, she's not worthless unless you have very good team coordination, which makes her suboptimal. not terrible, but suboptimal. and I think we all know that suboptimal is still good enough to crush soloq
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2011 06:42 GMT
#98
On November 29 2011 15:40 red_b wrote:
I hate farmed Shyvana.

She, a bit like J4, feels basically unkillable when stacking health. It is true that she doesnt scale very hard, but she definitely gets to a point where killing her in a reasonable amount of time isnt going to happen, especially because you dont want to focus her.

she pushes very, very fast too.

so, she's not worthless unless you have very good team coordination, which makes her suboptimal. not terrible, but suboptimal. and I think we all know that suboptimal is still good enough to crush soloq

I think riven is better imo, has the same feeling when farmed like crazy.
liftlift > tsm
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#99
On November 29 2011 15:25 redtooth wrote:
you've been waiting your whole life to make the general discussion thread haven't you


lol i was thinking the same thing
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 29 2011 06:50 GMT
#100
saint my fav stream!
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