[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 121

On December 06 2011 06:42 Sabin010 wrote:
What about having a Tri-lane mid and roaming to gank the 2v1 lane clear camps and gank the 1v1 lane?

On December 06 2011 06:42 JBright wrote:


No, that's when he first cleared the wolf camp. So no banking until 3:40 into the game but it only take 2 minutes to get it to its full amount.

On December 06 2011 06:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


Well I would make a list of 20 champions that have ever been used in the past six months, but sadly the jungle changes have only been out for a few weeks now. There have already been more than four junglers used in tournament level play though so the proportions are still off.

On December 06 2011 06:41 Seuss wrote:


You have to put those numbers in context. For example, the gold/exp chart is misleading because idle time is different for pre-revamp and post revamp. A camp that has been idle for 40 seconds post-revamp has literally just spawned pre-revamp. If you retool the chart in that context it looks like this.

0:40: 120xp/31g | 86xp/32g | 89exp/32g
1:00: 100xp/26g | 72xp/27g | 74xp/27g
2:00: 71xp/18g | 48xp/18g | 49xp/18g
3:00: 52xp/13g | 36xp/13g | 42xp/14g (half bank)
4:00: 41xp/11g | 29xp/11g | 37xp/15g (full bank)

This is basically the problem with the new jungle in a nutshell. If you can afk farm the new jungle without downtime you'll keep up on levels and gold just fine (in fact, gaining more of both than before). However, any ganking or idle time whatsoever immediately costs you and puts you significantly behind the old jungle.

That's why people are complaining. Unless the meta shifts to where nobody expects ganks from their jungler you're going to be compelled to exit the jungle and cost yourself exp and gold, and often.

On December 06 2011 06:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


Which is the entire problem in the first place. Everybody is trying to use the same strategies in the new jungle when they should be looking for completely new strategies and heaven forbid there is an opportunity cost for ganking now. In the old jungle you'd either gank or go back because there was literally nothing else you could do besides counter jungling. That changing isn't a bad thing in my opinion.

On December 06 2011 07:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
Here is the thing- because ganking was part of the game for so long, balance was BUILT around the old jungle.

On December 06 2011 07:10 Sabin010 wrote:
Or you could just pick 5 aoe champions and blow up team fights.

On December 06 2011 07:07 gtrsrs wrote:


stop talking out of your ass
the designers have spoken for months almost years now how they want jungling to be an option not a requirement
and i would wager that well over half of all games have no jungler, probably close to 2/3rds

On December 06 2011 07:05 Two_DoWn wrote:

Here is the thing- because ganking was part of the game for so long, balance was BUILT around the old jungle. Level patterns, power curves, everything was built around the idea that jungles would have the option to relieve pressure from lanes that were powerful. Its why heavy harass champs like urgot and leblanc are allowed to exist- there is a way to relieve that pressure. At the same time, its the reason why cho, yorick, and singed can exist- heavy sustain lanes can be moved by bringing in a second party.

So by changing the jungle, Riot essentially changed every single lane in the game, and the aftereffects of this are still barely being felt. So dont say that it is just jungle that needs to adapt- EVERYTHING is fucked now.

Eventually the shift will be towards running a heavy sustain lane top, some sort of aggressive mid, and a heavy sustain support/ad bot. Why? Because the jungle cant be in 3 places at once like before. How do you move cho'gath and protect annie from leblanc? Essentially every lane is going to have to be fully independent now. Which means that if riot wants the same number of champs to be viable, they are going to have to FURTHER homogenize power curves. Which is going to make the game suck even more.

On December 06 2011 06:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
In the old jungle you'd either gank or go back because there was literally nothing else you could do besides counter jungling.

On December 06 2011 07:07 gtrsrs wrote:


stop talking out of your ass
the designers have spoken for months almost years now how they want jungling to be an option not a requirement
and i would wager that well over half of all games have no jungler, probably close to 2/3rds

On December 06 2011 07:13 Two_DoWn wrote:

You are a moron. Seriously. You just disagree with me to be divisive.

Really. Riot doesnt balance around games that have a jungle. So that means that they just balance around sub 25 normals and below 800 elo games. They CERTAINLY dont balance around tournaments, cuz god forbid they would do something lie nerf ezreal because high elo players are too good with him. And they DEFINITELY wouldnt nerf orianna for being to strong in the right hands. So how could they possibly balance something as important as laning and champion interactions around the jungle. I mean, nerfing teemo because he was ungankable with a wriggles and shrooms and could just push all day long? That would be HILARIOUS.



Seriously. NEVER respond to one of my posts again. All you ever do is spout shit that makes no sense.

On December 06 2011 07:14 epoc wrote:
I would really like to see trilane in some lol competitive match someday.

On December 06 2011 07:14 Craton wrote:

NO!

This is NOT how jungling was. This is the line Riot kept feeding the public until they believed it, but it's a load of bullshit.

On December 06 2011 07:17 Craton wrote:

If I wanted to fall asleep watching a trilane I'd watch Dota. They're going to kill their own game if they keep ruining the aspects of LoL that people find superior.