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On November 19 2011 04:49 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 04:40 Sabin010 wrote:
I mostly play in 5s on a chat client, and when an enemy Ashe arrow is shot from bot to mid/top we call it out and it usually misses. It's honestly just really sneaky to place her in a Jungle role. She does have incredibly slow clears, while Udyr has some of the fastest. With the 4 wards ganks aren't going to really be an issue until around 8 minutes, but this is similar to the timing of Ashe's first global stun. I'm sure there are better options, but its so satisfying to win with Ashe in the jungler role. When Ashe shoots an arrow from at least 2000 range, and not straight down a visible line, it's pure luck whether it hits or misses. Whether you call it or not. It's not like you can tell what exact spot she is targeting.
that and i was under the impression that 'good' ashe players will step into fog before shooting
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Lol at the clip with saints jungle fizz, debating wether Loco is gay or not.
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On November 19 2011 04:52 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 04:49 spinesheath wrote:On November 19 2011 04:40 Sabin010 wrote:
I mostly play in 5s on a chat client, and when an enemy Ashe arrow is shot from bot to mid/top we call it out and it usually misses. It's honestly just really sneaky to place her in a Jungle role. She does have incredibly slow clears, while Udyr has some of the fastest. With the 4 wards ganks aren't going to really be an issue until around 8 minutes, but this is similar to the timing of Ashe's first global stun. I'm sure there are better options, but its so satisfying to win with Ashe in the jungler role. When Ashe shoots an arrow from at least 2000 range, and not straight down a visible line, it's pure luck whether it hits or misses. Whether you call it or not. It's not like you can tell what exact spot she is targeting. that and i was under the impression that 'good' ashe players will step into fog before shooting
This is basically true.
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Holy crap, played riven for the 1st time. Did pretty bad in early game while I was learning her but then wtf rolled late game even when I still hadn't figured out how to play her most effectively. A new champ for me to master and maybe, just maybe I can abuse her to get out of elo hell.
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On November 19 2011 05:10 Slaughter wrote:
Holy crap, played riven for the 1st time. Did pretty bad in early game while I was learning her but then wtf rolled late game even when I still hadn't figured out how to play her most effectively. A new champ for me to master and maybe, just maybe I can abuse her to get out of elo hell.
I got her when she first came out, and was underwhelming. pretty much stopped playing her after 1 week. last night decided to play her again. I went 16-4-4, I ROLLED over the enemy team. Those buffs were ridiculous.
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On November 19 2011 02:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I just don't understand why people would only play dota if they get a beta key. If you want to try out dota go play some dota. Dota2 is actually less of the game at the moment since it isn't finished yet ^_^ The updated graphics are worth getting used to eventually if you intend to play it, but that shouldn't stop you from playing it. You will find that the shop interface on the wc3 version is incredibly non-user friendly though since it is engine limited. I haven't paid attention to dota2 at all, but I'm assuming that they're updating the shop UI to something similar to HoN or LoL.
The reason I'm interested is because I won't play dota due to the interface (every aspect of it, not just the shop) and difficulty of finding a game etc. My rules for what games I'm willing to play, at the most basic level, come from how I pick mtg decks... I won't pick a deck with bad mana, I won't play a game with a bad interface.
On November 19 2011 04:04 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 03:32 JackDino wrote:Placing 4 wards @ the 2:45 minute mark is kinda retarded in solo queue, jungletwitch for example is much better since he has his passive, his Q for attackspeed and expunge for dmg, he actually can jungle without getting that low, he can force pinkies and he doesn't need a global arrow he can just pop up in your face. I'm not saying jungle ashe is bad because omg ad in da jungle I'm saying it's bad because she actually has nothing for the jungle. Twitch can clear, cait has her Q and passive for jungle, MF has her W and Q, trist would be awesome to jungle(attack speed, plenty of AoE and lolganks with W and R. Ashe just has nothing to clear the jungle other than her autos and a long volley cd and you can't exactly kite junglecreeps. Wards or no wards, someone like shaco is still gonna kill you not to mention most junglers can clear wolves+blue and go ambush you before your river is warded. On November 19 2011 03:29 koreasilver wrote:
Alright, lets be real. The flash nerf is so miniscule that there still is no reason not to take it. People be trippin' hard. Anything that is nerfed is bad until months have passed and someone decides to pick it up again and people realize it's broken and OP and all that. The new flash is really not that good. Way harder to flash through certain walls, won't save you against a ghoster at all in a 1v1 situation (was way easier before), ... Some chars have use to it (Ali, Sion, Morgana, AD carries with no escape), but on junglers and top it's not as direct as before.
tolkien commented, know exactly what not to think now
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On November 19 2011 05:31 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 02:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I just don't understand why people would only play dota if they get a beta key. If you want to try out dota go play some dota. Dota2 is actually less of the game at the moment since it isn't finished yet ^_^ The updated graphics are worth getting used to eventually if you intend to play it, but that shouldn't stop you from playing it. You will find that the shop interface on the wc3 version is incredibly non-user friendly though since it is engine limited. I haven't paid attention to dota2 at all, but I'm assuming that they're updating the shop UI to something similar to HoN or LoL. The reason I'm interested is because I won't play dota due to the interface (every aspect of it, not just the shop) and difficulty of finding a game etc. My rules for what games I'm willing to play, at the most basic level, come from how I pick mtg decks... I won't pick a deck with bad mana, I won't play a game with a bad interface. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 04:04 mr_tolkien wrote:On November 19 2011 03:32 JackDino wrote:Placing 4 wards @ the 2:45 minute mark is kinda retarded in solo queue, jungletwitch for example is much better since he has his passive, his Q for attackspeed and expunge for dmg, he actually can jungle without getting that low, he can force pinkies and he doesn't need a global arrow he can just pop up in your face. I'm not saying jungle ashe is bad because omg ad in da jungle I'm saying it's bad because she actually has nothing for the jungle. Twitch can clear, cait has her Q and passive for jungle, MF has her W and Q, trist would be awesome to jungle(attack speed, plenty of AoE and lolganks with W and R. Ashe just has nothing to clear the jungle other than her autos and a long volley cd and you can't exactly kite junglecreeps. Wards or no wards, someone like shaco is still gonna kill you not to mention most junglers can clear wolves+blue and go ambush you before your river is warded. On November 19 2011 03:29 koreasilver wrote:
Alright, lets be real. The flash nerf is so miniscule that there still is no reason not to take it. People be trippin' hard. Anything that is nerfed is bad until months have passed and someone decides to pick it up again and people realize it's broken and OP and all that. The new flash is really not that good. Way harder to flash through certain walls, won't save you against a ghoster at all in a 1v1 situation (was way easier before), ... Some chars have use to it (Ali, Sion, Morgana, AD carries with no escape), but on junglers and top it's not as direct as before. tolkien commented, know exactly what not to think now
To be fair, the 50 range flash nerf is situationally a bit more than 50 range. The way teleport spells work is that if you flash into a wall, the game will send you to the nearest legal empty space that you can occupy. So sometimes, this allowed you to flash through walls slightly larger than flash's range. With the range nerf, you can't make those flashes and you'll derp flash.
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On November 19 2011 05:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
tolkien commented, know exactly what not to think now
So much hate going on here :'(
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I think it works that if you can flash over half of the wall, it will put you on the other side. Like if you flash into something that is larger than flash range, it will place you at the closest point, so if you can make it through half the wall, it will plop you on the other side. So its a 100 range nerf in terms of wall jumping.
Its still worth it on 90% of champs thou. Both in terms of being able to reposition in fights and escape over walls. I think Shake said it the best: until ghost lets you go over walls, flash will be #1 escape spell.
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I have want a new support and I am wondering if Leona is a good pick. In theory, she seems really good with Ashe but would you recommend her at all?
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Anyone else feel like the Nocturne nerf hurt pretty bad?
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WTF ?
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On November 19 2011 05:45 Hyren wrote:
Anyone else feel like the Nocturne nerf hurt pretty bad?
No, just farm a bit harder than normal. You can't really start fights anymore though, just wait for them to blow cc's then rape the carry.
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I've been finding it incredibly harder to fear people, yeah. A lot more ganks have been slipping through but his ult is still really strong. I'm not too sure yet.
edit: eh? I have no idea what farming harder has to do about anything. nocturne does so much more damage because of how strong the offense tree is (especially the armor pen). the main issue is the sizable range nerfs on the e because the fear proc was the main "point" of his ganks. farming more or less has nothing to do with this.
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On November 19 2011 05:50 koreasilver wrote:
I've been finding it incredibly harder to fear people, yeah. A lot more ganks have been slipping through but his ult is still really strong. I'm not too sure yet.
edit: eh? I have no idea what farming harder has to do about anything. nocturne does so much more damage because of how strong the offense tree is (especially the armor pen). the main issue is the sizable range nerfs on the e because the fear proc was the main "point" of his ganks. farming more or less has nothing to do with this.
As in you are better off farming than forcing ganks that won't happen. The only time I've actually landed e to fear is if A) I didn't get cc'd/slowed and they didn't just walk away, or B) If i landed Trail first and was already chasing. The skill feels very lackluster now, and as it was part of his main gank abilities pre 6, it much more difficult to successfully gank a lane during that time. Yes burning flashes is cool and all, but getting your core faster is still going to be better for him in the long run.
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And I would rather rely on my red as CC rather than Noc's fear.
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On November 19 2011 05:10 Slaughter wrote:
Holy crap, played riven for the 1st time. Did pretty bad in early game while I was learning her but then wtf rolled late game even when I still hadn't figured out how to play her most effectively. A new champ for me to master and maybe, just maybe I can abuse her to get out of elo hell.
Riven es #1 huehuehue
Laned vs morgana:
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Laned vs singed:
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The worst champs to lane against are a joke. Now if only somebody would go Garen top. I want to huehuehue him the most.
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On November 19 2011 05:47 -Zoda- wrote:WTF ?
I think you can participate in Ranked 5s if you are not lvl 30.
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On November 19 2011 06:34 Terranasaur wrote:I think you can participate in Ranked 5s if you are not lvl 30.
What suprises me the most is that I'm pretty sure I didn't have this option 2 days ago.
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On November 19 2011 07:09 -Zoda- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:34 Terranasaur wrote:On November 19 2011 05:47 -Zoda- wrote:WTF ? I think you can participate in Ranked 5s if you are not lvl 30. What suprises me the most is that I'm pretty sure I didn't have this option 2 days ago.
I had it yesterday but it's gone now, I'm level 19
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