EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 14
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:11 nyxnyxnyx wrote: akali and kass are not just problems at low elo play lol I've never seen anyone open-minded enough to swap AD vs. Kassadin mid in high Elo either. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:17 Phrost wrote: I'm not really sure why they nerfed graves again. They've reduced the bonus damage on buckshot by 10% per bullet and reduced his attack range now. I'm not entirely sure why he has less than all of the ranged carries except sivir (who I think has 450 but you know the like 1000 range skill shot nuke kinda makes up for it ) Because his E+Q + auto-attack is such a fast and devastating combo, letting him close the distance and unload on you instantly.. And that's assuming he doesn't launch a smoke-bomb while he's at it to slow your retreat and get another shot in. The synergy of Graves's skills is incredible; a very well thought-out champion, perhaps a bit too much so. Hence the nerfs to range. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:55 Slayer91 wrote: Udyr. Rammus. Possibly Skarner. You'd never ever want to go 21 offense on pheonix udyr and rammus and skarner is debateable. Prepatch pheonix udyr with mostly utility spec and movement quints clears full jungle in 3:20, and all the offense masteries suck o him. Tiger udyr is a different story though. Rammus I'm not sure about because just getting spiked shell and going 21 offense might be interesting in the wriggles builds. But juggernaught veteran scars and even mercenary are all really nice when you're going warmogs as well. I'm talking about tiger udyr since i haven't played phoenix in ages, maybe I should try it out, do people still only get 3 points in phoenix as a norm for the early game? I can't not see it justified to run 21 offense, you're like the old udyr which levels faster than solo lanes as long as you have jungle to clear. Skarner is debatable, I'd say it depends on what runes you're running and who your opposing jungler is (as if, the more offensive jungler the more defensive you build skarner). | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:18 Snaphoo wrote: Because his E+Q + auto-attack is such a fast and devastating combo, letting him close the distance and unload on you instantly.. And that's assuming he doesn't launch a smoke-bomb while he's at it to slow your retreat and get another shot in. The synergy of Graves's skills is incredible; a very well thought-out champion, perhaps a bit too much so. Hence the nerfs to range. Last night, I had a hilarious where I (as WW) would suppress a Graves at sub 40% in teamfights, he BAAARELY survives the suppress + Q due to his passive, then proceeds to R+Q+auto me for 80% of my life in his dying breath. Happened 3 times in team fights. If Graves has a Soraka you can forget about trying to kill him in team fights. I find it weird that they're essentially turning graves into a short-range bruiser with huge burst, instead of slightly tuning down his burst and keeping his range untouched. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote: ? i just played a few games of NA recently. every game where kass was picked an AD was used to counterpick. ive seen gangplank and talon so far People counterpick him. But if AD/AP have already been picked, it's unlikely that people will swap them, and instead just have the AP take it in the bum anyway. | ||
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yenta
Poland1143 Posts
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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Kyhron
United States945 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:26 Leeoku wrote: whats the delay on the new hero's ult? else it is just like a giant chogath rupture... Except that if you miss and someone walks on it the fish sticks to them, or if theyre stupid and run into their team you get a bunch of damage off and they are all slowed | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:22 Iplaythings wrote: I'm talking about tiger udyr since i haven't played phoenix in ages, maybe I should try it out, do people still only get 3 points in phoenix as a norm for the early game? I can't not see it justified to run 21 offense, you're like the old udyr which levels faster than solo lanes as long as you have jungle to clear. Skarner is debatable, I'd say it depends on what runes you're running and who your opposing jungler is (as if, the more offensive jungler the more defensive you build skarner). Phoenix udyr maxes R > W > E > Q (3 in Q vs 3 in E is debatable). 21 offense is pointless as phoenix because you clear so freaking fast anyway, and points 10-20 in offense doesn't do much for him. Meanwhile the health, move speed, damage reduction, and Juggernaut are all insanely good for Udyr for the entire game. For almost every other jungler you have a suboptimal rune/mastery set to clear jungle faster, but Udyr is so fast that you can build him normally. EDIT: points 10-20 gives you crit/lethality, lifesteal, and flat armor pen / AP. None of those stats are are particularly good, since you'd rather have attack speed instead. If you plan on using tiger then yes, 21 offense is the way to go, but phoenix is considered stronger right now in jungle. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:30 Sandster wrote: Phoenix udyr maxes R > W > E > Q (3 in Q vs 3 in E is debatable). 21 offense is pointless as phoenix because you clear so freaking fast anyway, and points 10-20 in offense doesn't do much for him. Meanwhile the health, move speed, damage reduction, and Juggernaut are all insanely good for Udyr for the entire game. For almost every other jungler you have a suboptimal rune/mastery set to clear jungle faster, but Udyr is so fast that you can build him normally. Not going 21 offense on Phoenixdyr isn't an issue of not needing the speed--ArPen and Crit/Crit damage aren't huge stats for jungling speed anyway, and other 21 offense junglers take them because they're really cost-effective masteries for autoattack DPS later on. Wit's/Phoenix Stance do magic damage so both of those masteries do nothing for him. | ||
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yenta
Poland1143 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:26 yenta wrote: The new masteries are really really strong. Offensive tree feels so powerful on any sort of carry. Also 7/10/13 on a jungler, like Ehome's gp in the scrim vs TSM, gives a super fast clear... with enough health to gank w/o backing. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:37 yenta wrote: Also 7/10/13 on a jungler, like Ehome's gp in the scrim vs TSM, gives a super fast clear... with enough health to gank w/o backing. What's the 13 in utility for? I was thinking of something like 9/10/9 + 2, like http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-3-0-2-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-2-4-0-0-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-2-0-1-4-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0 | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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bosiddon
308 Posts
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Omnius
United States27 Posts
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