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On November 24 2011 17:01 shinarit wrote:"(Sorry Amy, this is the best picture of him I could find that was small. GEE GEE)" Its like they dont know how to resize an image (either in paint or in html). But i get the idea  Btw i saw some double AD compositions lately, and they are good, they rip apart buildings and dragon/baron pretty fast. So why cant both double and jiji play AD?
Fair warning: Had a 9 hour drive today to see family, so I did a bunch of theorycrafting without any substantial evidence to back it up.
Speaking of double AD... theorycraft with me a bit. With the new masteries almost anyone can jungle, even without a leash. Also I've had an unhealthy obsession (in normal games) with trying to jungle AD carries since I started playing. So, how viable is AD carry jungling post mastery changes? I feel like at least at low Elo Vayne, Trist, and Kogmaw are perfectly viable junglers, they clear relatively fast, and aren't any weaker on the first clear than mummy, especially with a leash. Those three specifically because they have decent early ganks because of their CC/gap closers, though % damage doesn't hurt (also I think Graves clears faster/safer, but I think his gank potential is significantly lower). Thinking about Vayne especially, since she has a hard CC, gap closer, and her passive is awesome for ganking, though I'm not sure if she can full clear on the first go. She definitely has enough health after blue>wolves>wraiths>minis to gank at level 3.
AD jungle then free's you up to do double AD with a strong sustain top, or a double dps bot lane to try to gimp the opponents AD carry. Might work really well with a strong pushing comp, since as noted double AD rips apart objectives.
Also since a lot of non-traditional junglers are coming up (notably Blitz) since the mastery changes, any thoughts on jungle Poppy? Seems like another really strong ganker, even if she has to take a backseat role lategame.
I'm sure not everything here is viable, but no harm in exploring the new possibilities a little more. Just stuff I've messed around with in customs or thought about.
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On November 24 2011 17:01 shinarit wrote:"(Sorry Amy, this is the best picture of him I could find that was small. GEE GEE)" Its like they dont know how to resize an image (either in paint or in html). But i get the idea Btw i saw some double AD compositions lately, and they are good, they rip apart buildings and dragon/baron pretty fast. So why cant both double and jiji play AD?
It's possible they can, however you can't do this every game cause if the other team knows your going to do this every game they can draft against it, etc. Honestly. it's easier for me to build vs heavy physical damage than it is for me to build against heavy magic damage. Aegis, Frozen Heart and Randuins are really good and they even help my team mates when the ad isnt attacking me, while I can't really help my teammates vs ap other than aegis, and while banshees veil is awesome, you don't really get any of the utility/aura effects that the opposite give(unless you benefit from ap and mr reduction)
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am i getting it right?
they will be refunding dodge runes now over time, but i can buy them back and i will get them refunded again after they completely remove dodge as a stat?
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On November 24 2011 17:58 byFd wrote:
am i getting it right?
they will be refunding dodge runes now over time, but i can buy them back and i will get them refunded again after they completely remove dodge as a stat?
That's how I read it.
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On November 24 2011 17:53 SpaceToaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 17:01 shinarit wrote:"(Sorry Amy, this is the best picture of him I could find that was small. GEE GEE)" Its like they dont know how to resize an image (either in paint or in html). But i get the idea Btw i saw some double AD compositions lately, and they are good, they rip apart buildings and dragon/baron pretty fast. So why cant both double and jiji play AD? AD jungle then free's you up to do double AD with a strong sustain top, or a double dps bot lane to try to gimp the opponents AD carry. Might work really well with a strong pushing comp, since as noted double AD rips apart objectives.
I meant as AD in a sololane (top or mid, mid preferred), there are some who can go against AP mid.
On November 24 2011 17:55 BlueBird. wrote:
It's possible they can, however you can't do this every game cause if the other team knows your going to do this every game they can draft against it, etc. Honestly. it's easier for me to build vs heavy physical damage than it is for me to build against heavy magic damage. Aegis, Frozen Heart and Randuins are really good and they even help my team mates when the ad isnt attacking me, while I can't really help my teammates vs ap other than aegis, and while banshees veil is awesome, you don't really get any of the utility/aura effects that the opposite give(unless you benefit from ap and mr reduction)
AD doesnt mean they do physical dmg (as AP doesnt mean magic damage either). You can build Kog to make more magic damage than phys, ofc than his tower destroying potential will shrink a bit. Also there are other chars who make magic damage from AD. But sure, you have to change your comp from time to time, otherwise people will get prepared for you.
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On November 24 2011 18:16 shinarit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 17:53 SpaceToaster wrote:On November 24 2011 17:01 shinarit wrote:"(Sorry Amy, this is the best picture of him I could find that was small. GEE GEE)" Its like they dont know how to resize an image (either in paint or in html). But i get the idea Btw i saw some double AD compositions lately, and they are good, they rip apart buildings and dragon/baron pretty fast. So why cant both double and jiji play AD? AD jungle then free's you up to do double AD with a strong sustain top, or a double dps bot lane to try to gimp the opponents AD carry. Might work really well with a strong pushing comp, since as noted double AD rips apart objectives. I meant as AD in a sololane (top or mid, mid preferred), there are some who can go against AP mid.
Yeah, that's the only way to double AD that's considered viable right now. I was pondering the merits of AD jungle, since the merits of double DPS/CC bot, and double AD (as options opened up) have both been proven, even if they aren't always optimal.
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You can go double AD bot and push all day with wards/cv.
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Whaaaat? Elementz hired by riot?
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Y U not pick Loci up CLG?
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On November 24 2011 18:56 epoc wrote:
Whaaaat? Elementz hired by riot?
What? Where?
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On November 24 2011 19:39 NeoIllusions wrote:What? Where?
And THATS how rumors start, hehe.
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I don't think is going to work out like they hope it will.
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Just to make sure, as a "autoattack enhancement skill", Blitz's E can't crit, is that it? Never seen it, even though that'd be quite awesome a burst with a sheen or triforce.
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On November 24 2011 20:42 Alaric wrote:
Just to make sure, as a "autoattack enhancement skill", Blitz's E can't crit, is that it? Never seen it, even though that'd be quite awesome a burst with a sheen or triforce.
Afaik the autoattack component can crit, but not the bonus damage from either E or Sheen.
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Suddenly disconnected from chat while on select.
I'm just so glad my team didn't troll and picked a good composition.
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On November 24 2011 21:04 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 20:42 Alaric wrote:
Just to make sure, as a "autoattack enhancement skill", Blitz's E can't crit, is that it? Never seen it, even though that'd be quite awesome a burst with a sheen or triforce. Afaik the autoattack component can crit, but not the bonus damage from either E or Sheen.
That'd still be (base + bonus AD+ 1.5 triforce + E bonus) + (base + bonus AD again) meaning... 4.5x base + 2x bonus AD. So 5x base + 2.5 bonus AD with IE added on top of it. I'd need to try that, as goofy as the build'd look like.
Edit: probably less than what critplank, Yi or Tryndamere could achieve with standard builds tho. 
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On November 24 2011 21:48 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:04 spinesheath wrote:On November 24 2011 20:42 Alaric wrote:
Just to make sure, as a "autoattack enhancement skill", Blitz's E can't crit, is that it? Never seen it, even though that'd be quite awesome a burst with a sheen or triforce. Afaik the autoattack component can crit, but not the bonus damage from either E or Sheen. That'd still be (base + bonus AD+ 1.5 triforce + E bonus) + (base + bonus AD again) meaning... 4.5x base + 2x bonus AD. So 5x base + 2.5 bonus AD with IE added on top of it. I'd need to try that, as goofy as the build'd look like. Edit: probably less than what critplank, Yi or Tryndamere could achieve with standard builds tho.
Isn't E just +100% of your total AD? In that case you should get 4.5 base + 3.0 bonus AD.
Yes Blitz deals pretty sick amounts of damage. His main problem is that he can't farm very well as he loses most solo lanes and while he is strong in a duo lane, he typically can't farm there either because of range issues.
Lots of CC + big shield + huge stereoid + grab. He sounds broken on paper but lacks farm, much like Poppy.
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