On November 05 2011 05:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm more worried about how Flash will affect the champs that need flash to initiate like Galio and Annie.

Heh, more like cleanse being good again kills all these champions, at least just as much as the flash nerf imo.

I happen to like cleanse though, I think the skillcap for properly using cleanse is high, or at least much moreso than exhaust

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

November 04 2011 20:40 GMT

#1442

So much kneejerk on the General Forums.
I'm pretty excited about the changes to be honest...CV was really too powerful, and as far as Flash is concerned a cooldown increase and slight range decrease sound about right. Still very useful but not an 80%-of-the-time get-out-of-jail-free card on every champion. Mobility champions are already very powerful so this may give them a slight edge, but people have to remember they're not removing Flash completely...those escapes will still be there.

If the changes suck, we'll adapt. We (and the rest of the retarded community) always do despite all the whining and whatnot.

Good on Riot not to be afraid to shake things up a bunch. Here's to more incoming Season 2 changes.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 04 2011 20:46 GMT

#1443

Well, hopefully all the summoners will eventually be at about the same power level as ignite and I can stop feeling horrible about the fact that they're in the game.

I'm STILL waiting for heal nerfs, they've been trying to nerf heals for well over a year and they've barely done anything to them. You still get full lifesteal and spellvamp off minions, you still have characters with retarded sustain, you still have 200 hp potions for 35 gold, the game is still a farmfest, gg. Hope they do something with that if there's a big S2 push.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

November 04 2011 20:50 GMT

#1444

If the changes suck, we'll adapt. We (and the rest of the retarded community) always do despite all the whining and whatnot.

Honestly, I'd almost be happy if Flash was overnerfed. Aside from all the things I hate about it, I also want to see different SS brought to games. There's only a few champions that don't insta-pick it. It's a bit sad to watch pro play or load a game of your own and see 10 Flashes. It's pretty predictable. 10 flashes, 2 CVs (supports), 2 Smites, the rest either Exhaust or Ignite. There are only a few champions that go against this, and it's generally just Ghost over Flash or Teleport for split pushing.

I'm looking forward to seeing a load screen and only seeing, like, 4 Flashes.

overt

United States9006 Posts

November 04 2011 20:51 GMT

#1445

With summoner changes in mind, run 5 carries all with Cleanse and Heal. Don't need support no more. (/sarcasm)

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

November 04 2011 20:52 GMT

#1446

On November 05 2011 05:51 overt wrote:
With summoner changes in mind, run 5 carries all with Cleanse and Heal. Don't need support no more. (/sarcasm)

Also all mid with Bravery build.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

November 04 2011 21:11 GMT

#1447

Multiple heals doesn't really work that well.

Craton

United States17278 Posts

November 04 2011 21:11 GMT

#1448

There is 0 problem with hp pots. There is only a problem with lifesteal insofar as its significantly something for nothing with non-mana spell vamp and huge amounts of life steal on right clickers.

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

November 04 2011 21:12 GMT

#1449

On November 05 2011 05:51 overt wrote:
With summoner changes in mind, run 5 carries all with Cleanse and Heal. Don't need support no more. (/sarcasm)

omg imagine a support with a skill to cleanse a teammate!

Craton

United States17278 Posts

November 04 2011 21:14 GMT

#1450

It's been proposed many times. The only way it could be balanced is a long cd ultimate.

Noocta

France12578 Posts

November 04 2011 21:17 GMT

#1451

They tried in play test to give Alistar an AoE Cleanse. Did not make it, but who know, perhaps one day.

TieN.nS)

United States2131 Posts

November 04 2011 21:22 GMT

#1452

On November 05 2011 06:12 Kenpachi wrote:

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omg imagine a support with a skill to cleanse a teammate!

Like old Morg? trollolol

Inschato

Canada1349 Posts

November 04 2011 21:27 GMT

#1453

On November 05 2011 06:14 Craton wrote:
It's been proposed many times. The only way it could be balanced is a long cd ultimate.

Or if it had some extra downside for the caster, like if the CC was transferred over or some set CC (like a slow or damage vulnerability).

Craton

United States17278 Posts

November 04 2011 21:53 GMT

#1454

no

transferring the cc would do very little in most situations where you'd be using it

Sufinsil

United States760 Posts

November 04 2011 21:57 GMT

#1455

On November 05 2011 03:57 Requizen wrote:

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Yeah, Cleanse is going to be viable now, and on things like Jax/Kog/Vayne/Trynd almost mandatory.

Oh jeez Cleanse Xin might be silly.

Cleanse was always viable, just got against Exhaust. I do not think it should remove it completely, but maybe halvethe effects of it.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

November 04 2011 21:58 GMT

#1456

On November 05 2011 06:53 Craton wrote:
no

transferring the cc would do very little in most situations where you'd be using it

Or maybe it costs a chunk of health. CC wears off, but if it's on someone like Janna or Sona, would you sacrifice a hunk of your HP to remove someone's CC? Or maybe AoE CC?