On October 30 2011 04:57 Brees wrote: we already went over this
warwick is a werewolf and is therefore the best champion in the game
vlad is a vampire and therefore the worst.
Why is werewolves better than vampires?!
Edward is the one that gets the girl.
edit_ right?
Not sure why he would.If he is a vampire than he shouldn't have a beating heart,right? + Show Spoiler +
So no wood for the gals X_X
Is this... Is this a... Twilight discussion? WHAT the SHIT? you homos keep your gay-ass sparkly vampire bullshit out of my general discu
Oh who the fuck am I kidding, I love those books, I read every one and I'll be at next movie opening night
ps. team Edward, Jacob is an insensitive meathead
@Kefka: you obviously didn't read the books. Book 4 basically reveals the 'secret' + Show Spoiler +
that what all vampires do at night with their indestructability, super strength, and super senses, is have crazy multiple hour long marathons of (literal) wall-shattering house-shaking sex.
What's wrong with Sivir? Is it just her short range that makes her bad? Her boomerang is a great poke, ricochet is amazing lategame where it basically triples your damage output in fights, free spell shield is great and her ultimate is a nice team-wide steroid.
On October 30 2011 06:05 Alzadar wrote: What's wrong with Sivir? Is it just her short range that makes her bad? Her boomerang is a great poke, ricochet is amazing lategame where it basically triples your damage output in fights, free spell shield is great and her ultimate is a nice team-wide steroid.
Yea, it's pretty much just her short range.
She used to be viable when AD carries could go mid cause she's not that bad in a 1v1. Her boomerang also used to do a ton more damage to secondary targets so even if she had a hard matchup she could still farm well.
Now, AD carries no longer go mid and her short-ass range just means she gets crapped on my most bot duos. Her teamfighting is also a bit iffy 'cause she has to get up really close to the enemy in order to do anything. It's a fine line in all honesty 'cause a range buff, if it's too much, can make her really OP 'cause her ricochet + ulti is an amazing teamfight steroid.
re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
How is Ricochet not a stereoid?
and not counting her ulti as a steroid is kinda :[ too
in all honesty, her not having CC or hard escape isn't really what's holding her back imo. A good number of ranged ADs dont have any good CC and her spell shield is fine as a pseudo-escape.
The biggest issue is that her laning is easily countered in a duo lane and because of her short range she has to build more survivability than most range AD carries, which eats into her offensive capabilities.
It's also worth nothing that Sivir was viable/popular back when teamcomps were somewhat centered on having 4 champs protect one champ (the AD carry). Morg/Janna shields were much much stronger and lasted forever; Shen was also top-tier pick. Now with nerfs to Morg/Janna shields and the Shen nerfs plus meta changes, those old teamcomps aren't as viable or strong as the new stuff.
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
How is Ricochet not a stereoid?
Hitting multiple targets isn't really a steroid, but her ultimate is definitely a steroid. Not sure why he isn't counting it ^_^
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
How is Ricochet not a stereoid?
Hitting multiple targets isn't really a steroid, but her ultimate is definitely a steroid. Not sure why he isn't counting it ^_^
She hits targets that she actually wants to hit by attacking tanks. Infinite % damage increase on good targets.
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
How is Ricochet not a stereoid?
Hitting multiple targets isn't really a steroid, but her ultimate is definitely a steroid. Not sure why he isn't counting it ^_^
It's a steroid in the sense that it amplifies your total damage.
On October 30 2011 06:17 Logrus wrote: re: Sivir, if you compare her to other ranged ADs she lacks either an escape, built in steroid (ult doesn't count), any cc, range, utility, etc.
otoh she does make up for it somewhat by doing metric shittons of damage if farmed, thats why she's a low elo pubstomper where u see her just stack thirsters
I don't think theres anything wrong with her per se, her shield is very very good, and you pointed out other positive aspects, but I think her issue is the same as the Vlad discussion a few pages ago, to utilize her in high level play you'd have to pick a team comp that revolved around her very specifically and play her in a very specific way that through team synergies provided something better than what you'd get from just playing somone like Cait, Kog, Vayne, etc
BUT, also I really suck so take my input with a grain of salt or better yet just don't listen to anything I say.
How is Ricochet not a stereoid?
Hitting multiple targets isn't really a steroid, but her ultimate is definitely a steroid. Not sure why he isn't counting it ^_^
It's simple really, he's not counting any of the aspects of her that disprove his point
Sivir's pretty good against a lot of random bullshit push/sustain AP carries like Morg/Sion/Galio and all that jazz.
In a duo lane Taric + Sivir CAN be nasty because of the dual team-steroid ults, and stun + boomerang is pretty bullshit especially because now taric's ult is going to make sivir's boomerang hurt a shitton more.
Just faced them, they nearly killed me at lvl 1 with just 2 or 3 starcalls and powerball (I was playing Taric). They had the lane pushed 24/7 and we couldn't kill them because of all their armour (jungle noct, still couldn't kill em)
Also, Sivir is definitely tournament viable. You can't play her like a normal AD carry and put her duo bot (well, you can but she's much better in a solo). CLG has run her in scrims and actual tournament matches in solo lanes, you pick her when you can run her against someone she'll destroy in lane. During midgame you send her solo top and she farms and pushes for days on end.
On October 30 2011 06:56 overt wrote: Also, Sivir is definitely tournament viable. You can't play her like a normal AD carry and put her duo bot (well, you can but she's much better in a solo). CLG has run her in scrims and actual tournament matches in solo lanes, you pick her when you can run her against someone she'll destroy in lane. During midgame you send her solo top and she farms and pushes for days on end.
Sivir doesn't really destroy anyone. You pick her against champs that don't destroy HER, because a farmed Sivir still is a farmed Sivir.
On October 30 2011 06:56 overt wrote: Also, Sivir is definitely tournament viable. You can't play her like a normal AD carry and put her duo bot (well, you can but she's much better in a solo). CLG has run her in scrims and actual tournament matches in solo lanes, you pick her when you can run her against someone she'll destroy in lane. During midgame you send her solo top and she farms and pushes for days on end.
Sivir doesn't really destroy anyone. You pick her against champs that don't destroy HER, because a farmed Sivir still is a farmed Sivir.
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