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dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 30 2011 02:08 GMT
#2961
Wouldn't it be downright suicidal to push a talon as Sivir?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 30 2011 02:19 GMT
#2962
On October 30 2011 11:08 dignity wrote:
Wouldn't it be downright suicidal to push a talon as Sivir?


Not really, you have spell shield for a reason. You just have to be smart enough to know when he's about to jump you.

Hotshot has been playing a lot of top lane Nocturne lately. It's pretty fun to see.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2011 02:22 GMT
#2963
On October 30 2011 10:22 rwrzr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 10:02 Juicyfruit wrote:
To be fair, Vlad really is one of the best 1v1 late-game AP carries. The thing is, AP carries as a class are just so-so late-game (with the possible exception of veigar). Their utility is more important at that point.


Summary: Vlad is pretty cool. AP Carries suck later though. Disables > Damage.

Which is one of the reasons Zilean and Morg are such great picks. Not only are they great laners and AP early games, but they also have a lot of utility later on.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 30 2011 02:27 GMT
#2964
On October 30 2011 11:19 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 11:08 dignity wrote:
Wouldn't it be downright suicidal to push a talon as Sivir?


Not really, you have spell shield for a reason. You just have to be smart enough to know when he's about to jump you.

Hotshot has been playing a lot of top lane Nocturne lately. It's pretty fun to see.

Talons silence has no animation, it can't be blocked by a spell shield because if you shield early then he just doesn't jump, and as it has no animation you can't reaction shield it...

And since boomerang DOES have an animation you can't use it to harass because talon will jump behind you when you try to rang him.
Also rake has like no cooldown so he can always rake to bait the sPellshield then wait 6 seconds and full combo you

But i do think sivir can beat akali
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 30 2011 02:41 GMT
#2965
On October 29 2011 13:03 HazMat wrote:
Is this a cookie problem or something?
[image loading]


Clear your cache, fixed it for me.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 30 2011 02:47 GMT
#2966
I've only ever done Sivir vs. Talon once. Maybe he was just a really bad Talon but I was usually able to spell shield plus boomerang if I thought he wanted to jump then back off.

For those interested, Chauster is playing Sivir on stream in a scrim.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 30 2011 03:01 GMT
#2967
Playing on stream right now with someof my friends. We aren't very good, but its funny.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MuATaran
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 30 2011 03:11 GMT
#2968
if people are legit running sivir push solo wait until they find out about chalice corki lol. that shit is unfair.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
October 30 2011 03:11 GMT
#2969
Alrighty TL, help me pick a pubstomping champion.

It used to be Nidalee for me, but she just hasn't been the same since the nerfs.

Tell me who to play that will allow me to eke out the most advantage over someone lesser skilled than I. Someone to just absolutely dominate like pre-nerf Morde- but someone who doesn't take a ton of farm. I'd like the games to go quick. I'm going to be raising a friend's account with this character.
"Do a barrel roll"
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 30 2011 03:16 GMT
#2970
On October 30 2011 12:11 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Alrighty TL, help me pick a pubstomping champion.

It used to be Nidalee for me, but she just hasn't been the same since the nerfs.

Tell me who to play that will allow me to eke out the most advantage over someone lesser skilled than I. Someone to just absolutely dominate like pre-nerf Morde- but someone who doesn't take a ton of farm. I'd like the games to go quick. I'm going to be raising a friend's account with this character.


Twitch
Evelynn
Pantheon
Nidalee
Shaco
Talon
Akali
Xin Zhao
Katarina
Annie
Leblanc
Warwick
Nocturne
Jax
Olaf
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 30 2011 03:16 GMT
#2971
nidalee still pubstomps d00d l0l
GANDHISAUCE
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
October 30 2011 03:37 GMT
#2972
On October 30 2011 12:11 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Alrighty TL, help me pick a pubstomping champion.

It used to be Nidalee for me, but she just hasn't been the same since the nerfs.

Tell me who to play that will allow me to eke out the most advantage over someone lesser skilled than I. Someone to just absolutely dominate like pre-nerf Morde- but someone who doesn't take a ton of farm. I'd like the games to go quick. I'm going to be raising a friend's account with this character.


pick garen

take flash ignite

regardless of your hp and enemies hp, at level 6 flash onto them q, e, ignite, then ult

theres your pub stomp champion
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 05:09:10
October 30 2011 05:08 GMT
#2973
Shaco/Twitch pubstomp hard since they probably dont know what to do or no direct counter, AP or AD shaco they still die rofl.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 30 2011 05:47 GMT
#2974
Eh, Jax needs a lot of farm. He stomps on noobs once he gets farmed but he still needs to get farmed.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 30 2011 05:47 GMT
#2975
On October 30 2011 10:42 Logrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:16 STS17 wrote:
At no point in time did I say (or even imply) that you were stupid. I made a joke and you blew it way out of proportion.


LIES AND SLANDER you very clearly are implying I have a basic lack of intelligence when you allude to some sort of herp-derp style of willful ignorance on my part, wherein I ignore the basic evidence in front of me and blindly adhere to what must be some sort of misguided religious dogma.

I understand, however, since you felt it appropriate enough to dismiss the paragraphs I had written with a mere few words, that when I replied to your attacks on my character with two full sentances, how you could interpret that as me blowing it "way out of proportion."

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 08:59 TL Blazeraid wrote:
On October 30 2011 08:51 TheYango wrote:
On October 30 2011 07:38 Logrus wrote:
@Ryuu314: I wanted to respond to this, to beat the horse some more. I don't think I was specific enough in my first post. Other AD's don't just have range, steroids, escapes, or cc, they have combinations of them. Trist has range escape and steroid, Cait sick sick range and escape, Kog even sicker range, no escape, but a steroid and a slow, etc.

Sivir has NONE of these things. Her spell shield is like you said a "pseudo-escape" but it's "pseudo" only, and I did mention it and say it was "very very good." All of which I think carries into and proves what you were saying with your second point. In bot lane she has no range and no escape and doesn't even get free attack speed or dmg or anything, ERGO its easy to counter her and you'd have to build more defensively.

edit: Ricochet is interesting and similar in some ways to a traditional steroid but I see it falling more into the 'range' camp of problems in that sure if you're hitting their tank it'll bounce to their team but you still have to go stand right under that enemy Cho's nuts to hit him anyway and then you're in range of their whole team and all their cc so good luck getting off more than 2x autos before u get knocked up silenced and eaten.

Logrus, you're missing the fact that Sivir used to be bar-none the strongest AD carry in the game. Her issues have nothing to do with her kit, because she was previously at a point where she was good. She's just another classic case where Riot overnerfed her.


Or there was a very large shift in the meta. Sivir is still fantastic against a tanky dps team.


I think you're both right, or rather we're all right. It's not black and white, there's a lot of issues contributing. The underlying question we're all really asking, and that's exciting us, is how can we again play (nerfed) Sivir (in the current metagame) ?

I think we've established she doesn't really have a place bot. So which would be better mid or top? I'm not sure she could handle mid vs the current top tier ap champs, even with spell shield. I could kinda see her top as ranged generally does pretty well vs melee, but then shield wont help much vs someone like Jax or Riven where she's lacking something like Teemo's blind


First of all, it's Libel, not slander. If you're going to go on a needless rampage at least do it properly.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 30 2011 05:49 GMT
#2976
On October 30 2011 12:37 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 12:11 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Alrighty TL, help me pick a pubstomping champion.

It used to be Nidalee for me, but she just hasn't been the same since the nerfs.

Tell me who to play that will allow me to eke out the most advantage over someone lesser skilled than I. Someone to just absolutely dominate like pre-nerf Morde- but someone who doesn't take a ton of farm. I'd like the games to go quick. I'm going to be raising a friend's account with this character.


pick garen

take flash ignite

regardless of your hp and enemies hp, at level 6 flash onto them q, e, ignite, then ult

theres your pub stomp champion

how to play garen in 15 seconds??????

on a more serious note, try mejais lux, just let your teammates soak damage then clean up with pew pew
Translator:3
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
October 30 2011 06:03 GMT
#2977
I´m curious what Sivirs hinted at new passive is going to be. As discussed she is not valid right now more for meta reasons than straight out weakness but being a "high range melee" is painfull with such an unreliable defense. Also **** dodge as a stat.

Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
October 30 2011 06:06 GMT
#2978
Just queued into GrackenSupreme and LEATHERGRACKEN, but they don't seem to be in LiquidParty. Anyone ever seen these guys before/who is smurfing?
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 30 2011 06:07 GMT
#2979
woo 1420 ELO! I'm very happy but I don't know if thats a good thing or not oh well.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 30 2011 06:08 GMT
#2980
Man I miss the old name lengths. RIP BILL AND TEDS EXCELLENT
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
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