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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 12 2011 10:30 GMT
#1841
I'm a big noob. No ELO yet ( 2/3 in ranked atm ) and I always buy pink wards when I see an enemy Akali, Twitch, Eve whatever champ that can stealth. It's not that hard.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
October 12 2011 10:34 GMT
#1842
Thanks for the advice Gooey. I had been wondering what to build after Gunblade. Deathcap->Guardian angel seems the way to go. I will have to test that out tomorrow!
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
October 12 2011 11:27 GMT
#1843
So I just randomly blew my 6.3k ip on Lee sin.
He's seriously so powerful O_O
Not regretting my purchase :3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 12 2011 11:41 GMT
#1844
The fact that Akali have so much spellvamp with gunblade make her way better than when everyone was building her with Rylai.
Because Q and R get 100% of spellvamp ( monotarget spells ), she heal lot in teamfight and she become quite hard to burst down if you can't stun her.

I stll think the main problem is the buffed spellvamp passive part and the base damage on Q.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 11:46:48
October 12 2011 11:46 GMT
#1845
HOW2FIX AKALI BY NYXNYXNYX:

-Shadow Dash now deals shared damage in a 150 AoE.


EASY FIX. THINK ABOUT IT
cool beans
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1846
EU East so broken right now LOL
hi
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
October 12 2011 12:51 GMT
#1847
On October 12 2011 11:33 JBright wrote:
EG being picked up by CheckSix? Interesting. Hope everything works well.

edit: Heard that on State of the League


I like this because Epik Gamer always really annoyed me as a TEAM name, but regardless they are probably the most entertaining team to watch.
Loose lips sink ships
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 12:53:06
October 12 2011 12:51 GMT
#1848
On October 12 2011 20:41 Noocta wrote:
The fact that Akali have so much spellvamp with gunblade make her way better than when everyone was building her with Rylai.
Because Q and R get 100% of spellvamp ( monotarget spells ), she heal lot in teamfight and she become quite hard to burst down if you can't stun her.

I stll think the main problem is the buffed spellvamp passive part and the base damage on Q.


but this is true of every hero with 2 single target attacks and a gunblade. her having a 10% ish spell vamp at that point in the game is no different to another character gaining 10% damage from a passive or just more damage, whatever.

On October 12 2011 20:46 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
HOW2FIX AKALI BY NYXNYXNYX:

-Shadow Dash now deals shared damage in a 150 AoE.


EASY FIX. THINK ABOUT IT



if it does less single target dmg because of this, she cant kill anything, if it deals the same damage but its just to nerf the spell vamp, you just increased her damage, people wont like it

better fix, make the melee hit portion of her Q not be affected by spell vamp
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 12 2011 12:54 GMT
#1849
On October 12 2011 21:51 isM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 11:33 JBright wrote:
EG being picked up by CheckSix? Interesting. Hope everything works well.

edit: Heard that on State of the League


I like this because Epik Gamer always really annoyed me as a TEAM name, but regardless they are probably the most entertaining team to watch.

If they are changing, that would make me happy. I keep getting them confused with Evil Geniuses when they are called "EG"
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 13:03:48
October 12 2011 13:02 GMT
#1850
Spellvamp is just extremely good on characters that don't have mana for a resource. You are trading a (generally) short cooldown for damage and free life. To make matters worse, Akali is a hybrid character and Gunblade really just gives here all the stats she could want, however the answer doesn't lie in just cutting her damage out from under her. She's a burst assassin, she needs that level of, "Deal with me or you lose." but she doesn't need to have effective 50% of her damage turned into free life.

I do, however think Gunblade and other spellvamp sources need to be played with on her. She simply gets too much of it too quickly. So really there are only 2 options.

1) Nerf Gunblade
2) Remove or Reduce the spellvamp gained from her passive.

Doing 2 allows for other play and builds on akali to come up because if you remove it you obviously have to give her something else in return, and reducing it also helps reduce the core problem. This whole free stat gains on characters just because they exsist thing, needs to stop happening.

Grave's passive makes me want to punch babies pending on the numbers.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
rapidash88
Profile Joined March 2011
United States194 Posts
October 12 2011 13:04 GMT
#1851
Akali needs to be nerfed in some way. I played a bit last night and every team we played had her on it. If she got the slightest bit farmed, she can 1v2 or even 1v3 us. Way too strong of a character IMO
Stroke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#1852
On October 12 2011 18:21 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 18:16 spinesheath wrote:
On October 12 2011 18:14 gtrsrs wrote:
so
i just saw an akali (with baron, guardian angel)
LITERALLY 1v5 the opposing team
and get a pentakill

the rest of us were just pushing mid while we watched her and screamed on vent
it was fucking insanity

1v5 pentakill

holy

What was the team kill score at that point? Not surprising if you were like 40-10.


it was something like 20-6, but akali WAS 10-1 at that point
and our opponents weren't GREAT so their farm was pretty poor
but they did at least try to stagger CC

it was like

5 converge on her in top lane
she shrouds
she instagibs cait, they burst her to ~40% life
she jumps on pirate, back up to 60% life, bursted back down to 20%
she kills pirate, gets bursted down to 0, shroud falls while guardian resurrects her
revives at like 15% life, immediately gibs teemo to jump back up to 50%
annie stuns her and unloads and ignites, down to 10%
she kills annie but vamp only gets her to 20% life, nocturne wailing on her
at this point we're all screaming in vent and going nuts
she ends up killing noc and lives with about 10% life

then chat just exploded with "LOL" "OMG" "PPPPENTA" "OMG" "HISTORY" "LOLOLOLOL" "we let you kill us" "LOL" "DOMINATED" etc etc


Umm, if Guardian Angel revived her to 15% life, she had 5000 health?
I am the Town Medic.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 13:18:16
October 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#1853
On October 12 2011 17:33 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 15:00 r.Evo wrote:
I see people like Locodoco rage sooo often about shitty supports in solo q.

Can someone of our high tier TLers maybe make a guide about what makes the difference between a random 2k player who plays support and a strong support player? :>


I just always read JANNA THIS JANNA THAT JANNA NO JANNA OMG, but I didn't see anyone ever compliment a support in all those random streams. =P

It's about synergy with your support, playing your lane as aggressively as possible without crossing the line into unsafe, knowing when you can leave the lane, knowing when you have to stay, knowing when you have to sacrifice yourself, knowing when you have to do all kinds of things that it's important to do. It's warding the right spots and cving the right places and instantly reacting to things that happen.

Buying the items is the easy part though...


The thing for me is kinda like this:
-My CVs are pretty damn accurate, for the first 15 minutes we know what that jungle is up to.
-My warding is strong and precise (yes, I pay attention to when shit runs out to not have that "oh, shit..." moment where you go back to buy new wards when the old ones ran out and there's that 1minute window where you see shit.
-Even though some people (yo spines!) keep mocking me for my love of heart of gold, all my builds are pretty close to e.g. Loc0st who plays like a boss. Items are like the easiest fucking part in this game.


I can, like everyone without down syndrome, press R as Janna when my carry gets dived. I can stun as Taric when they have no creep advantage and my carry is in range, walk up, press W, walk back again. As Soraka I know who to silence when (yo Kassa, enjoy that 5s CD on your riftwalk bro!) and my ults are timed well (aka before people flash out cause they're low).

HOWEVER, some examples from Locis stream last night where Locodoco raged at his Janna in chat:

1)
-"Wow Janna you have to Q them when they come at us" (was Cait Janna vs... Ez and... dno. I think Alistar but not sure.)
-"Yeah I did, but Ez flashed over it."
-"..." (he sounded like Janna didn't get something. But what, I have no clue)

2)
-"Wow Janna, you never in range for W and then we get raped."
-"Yeah, cause he keeps Qing me in the face wtf."
-"..."


The answers I'd like to see would tell me some little things like..

"If you're vs Ez, you hold your Q until after he E's in, or you get raped."
"If you're vs a Kennen, your job is not to ult the first random diver, it's to ult that Yordle away." (??, depends, I guess.)



tl;dr: I feel as if I outperform 95% of supports I see up to 1.8k elo, but I'm so damn sure that e.g. in a game with Loco I'd get raged at for mistakes non stop. I'd like to find out all these random small things that make a strong AD carry say, WOW FUCKING NICE SUPPORT, GJ!!
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 13:29:30
October 12 2011 13:29 GMT
#1854
On October 12 2011 22:14 r.Evo wrote:
tl;dr: I feel as if I outperform 95% of supports I see up to 1.8k elo, but I'm so damn sure that e.g. in a game with Loco I'd get raged at for mistakes non stop. I'd like to find out all these random small things that make a strong AD carry say, WOW FUCKING NICE SUPPORT, GJ!!


I don't think Supports will ever have anyone say gj to them.
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Morphx2
Profile Joined March 2011
147 Posts
October 12 2011 13:35 GMT
#1855
So I decided to finally play support. Turned out I had to support an idiot AP Ez bottom lane who ran teleport and ignite, died numerous times by overextending, and tried to support a team that really had no idea how to play.

JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 12 2011 13:39 GMT
#1856
On October 12 2011 22:35 Morphx2 wrote:
So I decided to finally play support. Turned out I had to support an idiot AP Ez bottom lane who ran teleport and ignite, died numerous times by overextending, and tried to support a team that really had no idea how to play.


That's why no one likes support.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 13:43:21
October 12 2011 13:42 GMT
#1857
On October 12 2011 22:14 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 17:33 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On October 12 2011 15:00 r.Evo wrote:
I see people like Locodoco rage sooo often about shitty supports in solo q.

Can someone of our high tier TLers maybe make a guide about what makes the difference between a random 2k player who plays support and a strong support player? :>


I just always read JANNA THIS JANNA THAT JANNA NO JANNA OMG, but I didn't see anyone ever compliment a support in all those random streams. =P

It's about synergy with your support, playing your lane as aggressively as possible without crossing the line into unsafe, knowing when you can leave the lane, knowing when you have to stay, knowing when you have to sacrifice yourself, knowing when you have to do all kinds of things that it's important to do. It's warding the right spots and cving the right places and instantly reacting to things that happen.

Buying the items is the easy part though...


The thing for me is kinda like this:
-My CVs are pretty damn accurate, for the first 15 minutes we know what that jungle is up to.
-My warding is strong and precise (yes, I pay attention to when shit runs out to not have that "oh, shit..." moment where you go back to buy new wards when the old ones ran out and there's that 1minute window where you see shit.
-Even though some people (yo spines!) keep mocking me for my love of heart of gold, all my builds are pretty close to e.g. Loc0st who plays like a boss. Items are like the easiest fucking part in this game.


I can, like everyone without down syndrome, press R as Janna when my carry gets dived. I can stun as Taric when they have no creep advantage and my carry is in range, walk up, press W, walk back again. As Soraka I know who to silence when (yo Kassa, enjoy that 5s CD on your riftwalk bro!) and my ults are timed well (aka before people flash out cause they're low).

HOWEVER, some examples from Locis stream last night where Locodoco raged at his Janna in chat:

1)
-"Wow Janna you have to Q them when they come at us" (was Cait Janna vs... Ez and... dno. I think Alistar but not sure.)
-"Yeah I did, but Ez flashed over it."
-"..." (he sounded like Janna didn't get something. But what, I have no clue)

2)
-"Wow Janna, you never in range for W and then we get raped."
-"Yeah, cause he keeps Qing me in the face wtf."
-"..."


The answers I'd like to see would tell me some little things like..

"If you're vs Ez, you hold your Q until after he E's in, or you get raped."
"If you're vs a Kennen, your job is not to ult the first random diver, it's to ult that Yordle away." (??, depends, I guess.)



tl;dr: I feel as if I outperform 95% of supports I see up to 1.8k elo, but I'm so damn sure that e.g. in a game with Loco I'd get raged at for mistakes non stop. I'd like to find out all these random small things that make a strong AD carry say, WOW FUCKING NICE SUPPORT, GJ!!

1) when alistar headbutts me janna needs to react instantly and smartcast tornado both ali and ez so the stun duration is canceled out by the knock up duration

2) janna stayed behind me and camped brush instead of aggroing ez with me with her autos and W, when the lane is 2 range vs 1 range and 1 melee u can get aggresive

if u wanna get better at support play ad first
best support players can also play a mean ad,since to play a support properly u need to learn how to play ad first ex) madlife,xpecial

i still beasted jiji even with the shitty janna cuz cait wins lane 2 v 1 l0l
i wish riot would give me better ping
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 12 2011 13:58 GMT
#1858
On October 12 2011 22:29 Flicky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 22:14 r.Evo wrote:
tl;dr: I feel as if I outperform 95% of supports I see up to 1.8k elo, but I'm so damn sure that e.g. in a game with Loco I'd get raged at for mistakes non stop. I'd like to find out all these random small things that make a strong AD carry say, WOW FUCKING NICE SUPPORT, GJ!!


I don't think Supports will ever have anyone say gj to them.

Oh it happens. A lot actually.
Cuz people never see good supports, so whenever you actually do something good it stands out.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 12 2011 14:03 GMT
#1859
Playing support is like playing a healer or tank in WoW. You're expected to play perfectly with no praise, and when you play less than that, you suck so bad that your whole team hates you and blames you even if you win. You have to be able to read the lane and your partner's mind, basically, to know when they're going in and want you to help.

If you want a relatively stress free support playtime, duo que with a friend and only lane with them. Yeah, it might narrow the other player's selections a bit, but it's better than laning with a random who screams at you the whole time.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 12 2011 14:10 GMT
#1860
On October 12 2011 14:23 Lancer723 wrote:
I don't know how you bros feel about dominion, but I just played the longest game yet for me of dominion.

27:10

Congrats. I think that's actually now the new record for the longest game of Dominion! Record was 26:50 I think.

On October 12 2011 15:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 15:08 locodoco wrote:
On October 12 2011 15:00 r.Evo wrote:
I see people like Locodoco rage sooo often about shitty supports in solo q.

Can someone of our high tier TLers maybe make a guide about what makes the difference between a random 2k player who plays support and a strong support player? :>


I just always read JANNA THIS JANNA THAT JANNA NO JANNA OMG, but I didn't see anyone ever compliment a support in all those random streams. =P

play exactly like madlife or xpecial does


Pretty sure you and i are the only two on TL who know who madlife is. zz

I think I know who it is too. It's the Ali who keeps calling Loco master, haha.

On October 12 2011 17:05 Lorken wrote:
Also, do items give assists? (like randuins active)

Items with Actives (e.g. Shurelia's, Randuin, etc.) will give assists.

On October 12 2011 17:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
actually i don't think the aegis aura gives assists

Does not unless they have changed something that's I'm not aware of.
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