EPT[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 44
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:01 Requizen wrote: I've heard it's based on ELO, but I think that's a myth. Our first picks at times are waaay too stupid to be higher ELO than me and my queue-mates. I'm fairly certain that's true for ranked but normals (the topic of discussion) are a different story. And don't forget, for the vast marjoity of elo, higher rating != better player | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:12 mordek wrote: Any suggestions for jungler streams? I've watched saintvicious' stream but he's not always on of course and was wondering if there's some others I don't know of. Dan Dinh streams mostly jungle play, though he recently has been spamming Xerath games. Lapaka doesn't stream that much, but plays pretty much only junglers. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:42 Zhiroo wrote: Just had a 80min game... so tiring. How is the possible? Did you play a 5v5 support mirror match where 9 people died every teamfight? | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:59 rwrzr wrote: How is the possible? Did you play a 5v5 support mirror match where 9 people died every teamfight? had an 80 minute game on TT once god fuck that nexus turret | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:59 rwrzr wrote: How is the possible? Did you play a 5v5 support mirror match where 9 people died every teamfight? 80 minute games can happen in the following scenario: Play silly early game->get super behind->lose 1-2 inhibs + baron, but enemy team too stupid to close out the game->somehow win fights against retarded enemies, but can't get much out of each win cuz of no baron/inhibs->eventually win enough fights successively to actually have a shot at winning->almost throw away game because your team is retarded too->finally win the damn game. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:59 rwrzr wrote: How is the possible? Did you play a 5v5 support mirror match where 9 people died every teamfight? We kept going like win team fight with one of us surviving or lose team fight with one of them surviving for a long time lol. Our team: Singed, Teemo, Xerath, Katarina, Veigar vs Alistar, Fidlesticks, Riven, Ashe and Twisted Fate | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On October 08 2011 04:23 HPoirot wrote: Dan Dinh streams mostly jungle play, though he recently has been spamming Xerath games. Lapaka doesn't stream that much, but plays pretty much only junglers. Thanks. I've seen Dan Dinh but it seems like he's never streaming when I'm watching lol. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Game 1: We needed a support so I picked up Taric. My lane partner was a Vayne. At the end of that game, which lasted around 25mins, said Vayne had 34 cs. I also had more money on my support Taric than our Malzahar, who was mid. I did not kill any creeps in the laning phase, though I killed some creep waves near the end of the game to vent my frustration. Lesson learnt: When in ranked only play support, if you know your lane partner and he is decent. Game 2: Enemy first picked Singed, I counter pick Kennen, since I learned from IEM that Kennen counters Singed. Indeed I ended up 8-0-5. My friend in the jungle had similar success and together we carried the game. Lesson learnt: Kennen be good. Game 3: Our first pick was a Maokai top. Friend went with Warwick, I picked Annie. My opponent mid was a Katarina. After hitting level 6 I ran around and tibbered a few people, but Maokai was failing pretty hard top vs a Riven. Gank was kind of fail. Flaming started, friend went tilt, everything went downhill. In the end the enemy had a pretty beefed up Riven and Gangplank. Lesson learnt: If ppl start bitching, just put them on ignore before you go tilt. Game 4: Our first pick chose Tryndamere. Okay. With Exhaust and Heal. Wait, wat? He also insisted on going top against Akali and Garen. (Opponents did not have a jungler.) Do I need to mention that he decided to facecheck? Lesson learnt: If your first pick wants to use Heal as summoner spell. Dodge. Taking a break now. -.- edit: I feel like the people in normal games play better. edit2: my english sucks when I am annoyed. edit3: I should have posted this in the QQ thread... | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I generally open Vamp Scepter and do wolves -> wraiths -> golems -> blue pill -> full clear. Should I instead open Cloth + 4 or 5 and do full clear starting from blue, assuming that I'll blue pill back after the full clear without counter jungling, so when I resume jungling I'll be full hp? Obviously there are a lot of factors about who the enemy jungler is, possible ganks, etc... but as a general rule, would that be a decent idea? | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:22 disformation wrote: I just had a fantastic time playing some ranked games. I played dual queue with a friend, who mostly ends up as a jungler. Game 1: We needed a support so I picked up Taric. My lane partner was a Vayne. At the end of that game, which lasted around 25mins, said Vayne had 34 cs. I also had more money on my support Taric than our Malzahar, who was mid. I did not kill any creeps in the laning phase, though I killed some creep waves near the end of the game to vent my frustration. Lesson learnt: When in ranked only play support, if you know your lane partner and he is decent. Game 2: Enemy first picked Singed, I counter pick Kennen, since I learned from IEM that Kennen counters Singed. Indeed I ended up 8-0-5. My friend in the jungle had similar success and together we carried the game. Lesson learnt: Kennen be good. Game 3: Our first pick was a Maokai top. Friend went with Warwick, I picked Annie. My opponent mid was a Katarina. After hitting level 6 I ran around and tibbered a few people, but Maokai was failing pretty hard top vs a Riven. Gank was kind of fail. Flaming started, friend went tilt, everything went downhill. In the end the enemy had a pretty beefed up Riven and Gangplank. Lesson learnt: If ppl start bitching, just put them on ignore before you go tilt. Game 4: Our first pick chose Tryndamere. Okay. With Exhaust and Heal. Wait, wat? He also insisted on going top against Akali and Garen. (Opponents did not have a jungler.) Do I need to mention that he decided to facecheck? Lesson learnt: If your first pick wants to use Heal as summoner spell. Dodge. Taking a break now. -.- edit: I feel like the people in normal games play better. edit2: my english sucks when I am annoyed. edit3: I should have posted this in the QQ thread... Lesson learnt:Carry your team harder. | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On October 07 2011 15:39 Lorken wrote: I was looking at his ratios and none of them are as good as they used to be so I thought a Nashors Tooth would give me the "best of both worlds" and yes I just said that. As a support your gold is usually very limited, that's why some people are against the 2nd and onwards gold/5 item for example. (I usually get 2 in 90% of my games, 3 if I get fed early. =D) An item like Nashors Tooth does exactly nothing in between all your normal "duties" (hint: Wards, Oracles, Auraitems) If you have ever excess gold as support "oh whoops I just KS'd that dude and got like 1k gold for his bounty" I would invest into moar auraitems. If you can get like WotA+ Starks on a support your teamfights are so much more full of rape. I actually dislike Aegis nowadays for those two most of the time. Not entirely sure if it's mathematically correct, but I feel as if they outperform it. (More dmg+more sustain means your carries live longer compared to the armor/mres bonus. If they take colletaral damage the sustain > some mres/armor imoimo.) | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On October 08 2011 06:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Lately I've been getting counterjungled as nocturne more often, and at earlier levels I just feel so fragile. I generally open Vamp Scepter and do wolves -> wraiths -> golems -> blue pill -> full clear. Should I instead open Cloth + 4 or 5 and do full clear starting from blue, assuming that I'll blue pill back after the full clear without counter jungling, so when I resume jungling I'll be full hp? Obviously there are a lot of factors about who the enemy jungler is, possible ganks, etc... but as a general rule, would that be a decent idea? On Noc I usually go a) Wraith -> Wolves -> Wraithjack -> Small Gols -> Wraith -> Wolves -> Wraithjack -> b, blue - (cloth+5, 1 8 21, cheers to 5hitcombo) b) Wolves -> Wraithjack -> Goljack -> Gank -> b -> full clear (vampscepter, 21 0 9, cheers to Tommo from LP.eu) Blue openings on Noc are horribly weak imho. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 08 2011 06:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Lately I've been getting counterjungled as nocturne more often, and at earlier levels I just feel so fragile. I generally open Vamp Scepter and do wolves -> wraiths -> golems -> blue pill -> full clear. Should I instead open Cloth + 4 or 5 and do full clear starting from blue, assuming that I'll blue pill back after the full clear without counter jungling, so when I resume jungling I'll be full hp? Obviously there are a lot of factors about who the enemy jungler is, possible ganks, etc... but as a general rule, would that be a decent idea? Don't open vamp. Vamp starts are generally very risky. Any good counter jungler can take advantage of that and rape your face, especially in solo queue where teammates are 90% less likely to help you when your jungle's getting invaded. Generally, cloth+5 is best if you're unsure. Boots+3 if you're playing a super safe jungler (Lee Sin, WW) and plan to early gank as the mobility will help. Long sword+1 if you're Warwick and/or ballsy. If you're Lee Sin you can open whatever the fuck you like and you'll rape anyways. On October 08 2011 06:31 r.Evo wrote: On Noc I usually go a) Wraith -> Wolves -> Wraithjack -> Small Gols -> Wraith -> Wolves -> Wraithjack -> b, blue - (cloth+5, 1 8 21, cheers to 5hitcombo) b) Wolves -> Wraithjack -> Goljack -> Gank -> b -> full clear (vampscepter, 21 0 9, cheers to Tommo from LP.eu) Blue openings on Noc are horribly weak imho. Wouldn't that second path (b) leave you pretty damn low when you try to gank? My guess is you save smite for wraithjack, but the golemjack would bring you pretty low. I can't imagine you'd have more than 50% hp after finishing golems by starting vamp scepter and thus no potions, especially with 21/0/9 masteries. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 08 2011 06:29 r.Evo wrote: (Wanted to post this like 2 pages ago, but somehow didn't press "post" >_<) As a support your gold is usually very limited, that's why some people are against the 2nd and onwards gold/5 item for example. (I usually get 2 in 90% of my games, 3 if I get fed early. =D) An item like Nashors Tooth does exactly nothing in between all your normal "duties" (hint: Wards, Oracles, Auraitems) If you have ever excess gold as support "oh whoops I just KS'd that dude and got like 1k gold for his bounty" I would invest into moar auraitems. If you can get like WotA+ Starks on a support your teamfights are so much more full of rape. I actually dislike Aegis nowadays for those two most of the time. Not entirely sure if it's mathematically correct, but I feel as if they outperform it. (More dmg+more sustain means your carries live longer compared to the armor/mres bonus. If they take colletaral damage the sustain > some mres/armor imoimo.) Aegis gives about 25% of the cost in stats to each ally. Wota gives 25% of the cost in AP to each ally, and the Vamp on top. Stark's gives 50% of the cost in Lifesteal and Attack Speed to each ally, and the HP Regen and Armor Reduction aura on top. Aegis is still not too bad because it's a very efficient defensive item for yourself too, and supports tend to be relatively squishy mid/lategame. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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