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On October 19 2011 02:43 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 02:13 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 19 2011 02:12 Craton wrote:On October 18 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:On October 18 2011 14:55 Craton wrote:
So what's good vs Cass? Do you mean generally or in lane In lane Kass, Ryze ok i dont get both of them. Ryze gets oom faster than cassio and kassadin is generally picked vs burst champions and not vs sustained damage. I dont have alot of experience with ryze though. But with kassadin I dont wanna face cassio since she kinda does 2 times more damage on every trade and zones kassadin away from the lasthits. When you somehow managed to get even until 6 then you can only do a RQE when your 100% certain that the jungler is somewhere else or you have a flash advantage or she can ult,ignite,chase you to death with some assistance from any kind of jungler that has a disable.
Pre 6, Cass is going to own both. Hell, Cass owns most other mages pre 6, period. Her Q is so cheap and effective at zoning.
Ryze, just keep moving around and dodge the Q. For the most part you can auto the last hits, just don't be too obvious and walk into a Q for a creep. That's obviously not a good trade off. Things taper off much once Ryze has Tear. Tear, Cata, Negatron, you should be able to win trade offs from there.
Kass, last hitting pre 6 is pretty hard. Dodge her Q if you can. Don't even bother harassing. Focus on farming. Void Sphere to last hit even. Post 6. RQE harass is just silly. You can even QE if you want. Kass's passive is just silly vs Cass. Make it to 6 and you're fine. Just don't fall off too hard on CS.
If these two are too challenging for you, just play Malz and go push wars. 
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On October 19 2011 02:13 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 02:12 Craton wrote:On October 18 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:On October 18 2011 14:55 Craton wrote:
So what's good vs Cass? Do you mean generally or in lane In lane Kass, Ryze
Kassadin crushes cass in lane like nothing I've ever seen. Q her in the face, walk away. Q her in the face again, walk away.
When you hit 6, rift next to her, Q/E, walk away. She can do NOTHING to stop you.
With ryze, just rush tear and some MR and go toe-to-toe with her. If she tries to harass, spam all your abilities on her as fast as possible. Chances are you'll last a lot longer. If she ever misses a Q on you, go nuts with your abilities for free damage.
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MR runes, null magic opening on cass, shrug at the null sphere and autoattack back, probably end up winning that trade. Not to mention if you get in range to Q as kass, you are in range to eat Q from cass. It's gonna cast before she gets silenced.
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On October 19 2011 03:08 daemir wrote:
MR runes, null magic opening on cass, shrug at the null sphere and autoattack back, probably end up winning that trade. Not to mention if you get in range to Q as kass, you are in range to eat Q from cass. It's gonna cast before she gets silenced.
That's a laughablely weak Cass for the first 15 min of the game then. No AP Cass is not going to hurt a Kass with Q.
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On October 19 2011 02:52 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 02:43 clickrush wrote:On October 19 2011 02:13 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 19 2011 02:12 Craton wrote:On October 18 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:On October 18 2011 14:55 Craton wrote:
So what's good vs Cass? Do you mean generally or in lane In lane Kass, Ryze ok i dont get both of them. Ryze gets oom faster than cassio and kassadin is generally picked vs burst champions and not vs sustained damage. I dont have alot of experience with ryze though. But with kassadin I dont wanna face cassio since she kinda does 2 times more damage on every trade and zones kassadin away from the lasthits. When you somehow managed to get even until 6 then you can only do a RQE when your 100% certain that the jungler is somewhere else or you have a flash advantage or she can ult,ignite,chase you to death with some assistance from any kind of jungler that has a disable. Pre 6, Cass is going to own both. Hell, Cass owns most other mages pre 6, period. Her Q is so cheap and effective at zoning. Ryze, just keep moving around and dodge the Q. For the most part you can auto the last hits, just don't be too obvious and walk into a Q for a creep. That's obviously not a good trade off. Things taper off much once Ryze has Tear. Tear, Cata, Negatron, you should be able to win trade offs from there. Kass, last hitting pre 6 is pretty hard. Dodge her Q if you can. Don't even bother harassing. Focus on farming. Void Sphere to last hit even. Post 6. RQE harass is just silly. You can even QE if you want. Kass's passive is just silly vs Cass. Make it to 6 and you're fine. Just don't fall off too hard on CS. If these two are too challenging for you, just play Malz and go push wars.
Hahaha Malzahar vs Cass lane is so boring, creep apocalypse in the middle every spawn.
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Just saying if someone really has trouble vs Kass, going full def and just farm it out.
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If you can't outplay/outskill your opponent, just don't fall behind~
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On October 19 2011 03:21 daemir wrote:
Just saying if someone really has trouble vs Kass, going full def and just farm it out.
Not as Cass you can't. Cause even if you try to farm it out by going full defensive Kass can zone you out so hard. And when Kass zones you he punishes you very hard if you even try to come close. Then if you try to go for MR and no dmg you will be totally useless in fights while on the other hand Kass will just instagib your AD carry.
As a Cass there is like nothing you can do vs Kass at all. Except just for just ganking other lanes as much as possible or having your jungler just camp your lane all day.
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If I had to play cass vs kass, I would run ms quints, boots+3, max q, grab a point in w at level 2, then just focus on throwing down a w as the creeps come towards me, then q them a few times to kill them, using my movespeed to stay away from kass as best I can.
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My thing about Kog is, he's the best AD carry in a perfect scenario. By and far, but often he doesn't get to that point. He's not super strong in lane, and really relies on his support to cover him. Mid (if you play that comp style), he needs ganks early and often or he's back against a tower the whole time.
And yeah, in an ideal situation, his team will perfectly protect him and he'll just get to rip through the enemy, but let's be honest, how often does that happen? Yes, in a perfect game, where his team supports him and he gets free farm, he's so dominant that it doesn't seem fair, but games like that are few and far between. Early game he's one of the easiest to shut down, and until he has his full build, most other carries out-do him.
He's still great, but I wouldn't focus my rage on him or call him OP.
I just started playing LoL let's say...a few days ago (true fact) so I literally don't know what I am talking about. So I'm going to make an SC analogy and you can tell me whether it applies here. In SC, balance is for the highest levels. If a professional LoL team plays with a composition around Kog'Maw exceptionally well, is it likely that a team playing without Kog'Maw but still playing at the same level (with any other composition of their choosing of course) will defeat them? Would it be imbalanced if they could not?
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On October 19 2011 03:40 Ecrilon wrote:Show nested quote +My thing about Kog is, he's the best AD carry in a perfect scenario. By and far, but often he doesn't get to that point. He's not super strong in lane, and really relies on his support to cover him. Mid (if you play that comp style), he needs ganks early and often or he's back against a tower the whole time.
And yeah, in an ideal situation, his team will perfectly protect him and he'll just get to rip through the enemy, but let's be honest, how often does that happen? Yes, in a perfect game, where his team supports him and he gets free farm, he's so dominant that it doesn't seem fair, but games like that are few and far between. Early game he's one of the easiest to shut down, and until he has his full build, most other carries out-do him.
He's still great, but I wouldn't focus my rage on him or call him OP. I just started playing LoL let's say...a few days ago (true fact) so I literally don't know what I am talking about. So I'm going to make an SC analogy and you can tell me whether it applies here. In SC, balance is for the highest levels. If a professional LoL team plays with a composition around Kog'Maw exceptionally well, is it likely that a team playing without Kog'Maw but still playing at the same level (with any other composition of their choosing of course) will defeat them? Would it be imbalanced if they could not?
kog'maw and wukong are like terran man u just cant beat em if they have brain
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The tradeoff with Kog is that his early game is lackluster, but I honestly don't think his early game is weak enough to justify how fucking crazy his late game is. I mean, seriously, I think a Kog with PD + IE is stronger than any other carry with 3 offensive items. And once you get to IE + PD + PD, the other carry can have 5 offensive items and I think Kog will still realistically out damage them at a safer distance.
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On October 19 2011 03:40 Ecrilon wrote:Show nested quote +My thing about Kog is, he's the best AD carry in a perfect scenario. By and far, but often he doesn't get to that point. He's not super strong in lane, and really relies on his support to cover him. Mid (if you play that comp style), he needs ganks early and often or he's back against a tower the whole time.
And yeah, in an ideal situation, his team will perfectly protect him and he'll just get to rip through the enemy, but let's be honest, how often does that happen? Yes, in a perfect game, where his team supports him and he gets free farm, he's so dominant that it doesn't seem fair, but games like that are few and far between. Early game he's one of the easiest to shut down, and until he has his full build, most other carries out-do him.
He's still great, but I wouldn't focus my rage on him or call him OP. I just started playing LoL let's say...a few days ago (true fact) so I literally don't know what I am talking about. So I'm going to make an SC analogy and you can tell me whether it applies here. In SC, balance is for the highest levels. If a professional LoL team plays with a composition around Kog'Maw exceptionally well, is it likely that a team playing without Kog'Maw but still playing at the same level (with any other composition of their choosing of course) will defeat them? Would it be imbalanced if they could not?
The team without Kog'maw could definitely win, depending on their composition. I imagine that yes, it would be imbalanced if they could not. It is worth noting, however, that in terms of raw damage output, Kog is likely unparalleled when fully geared out.
Random Q; anyone know if they're doing bonus runes this year for Halloween? Those discounted quints or anything? I want to know if I should buy AD quints now or if they might be coming out with cheaper ones soon.....
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Tho brain is a very lacking ressource.
Thanks for suggestions guys, I think I'll settle with Gragas, I'm not too good with Orianna and the Morgana in me cringes when remembering Malz and his pushing power.
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If 2 teams had to play blind pick against each others, what would you expect the picks to be ?
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Eve, Twitch, Shaco, Akali, Talon
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LS top, Brand mid, Cow Cait bot, and Udyr jungle
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If they nerf Kog I would not be surprised if it goes back to when he was considered completely unviable and no one ever played him. Which wouldn't be terrible I guess cause then I could play him more and have my team rage at me for playing "shit champ."
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On October 19 2011 03:40 Ecrilon wrote:Show nested quote +My thing about Kog is, he's the best AD carry in a perfect scenario. By and far, but often he doesn't get to that point. He's not super strong in lane, and really relies on his support to cover him. Mid (if you play that comp style), he needs ganks early and often or he's back against a tower the whole time.
And yeah, in an ideal situation, his team will perfectly protect him and he'll just get to rip through the enemy, but let's be honest, how often does that happen? Yes, in a perfect game, where his team supports him and he gets free farm, he's so dominant that it doesn't seem fair, but games like that are few and far between. Early game he's one of the easiest to shut down, and until he has his full build, most other carries out-do him.
He's still great, but I wouldn't focus my rage on him or call him OP. I just started playing LoL let's say...a few days ago (true fact) so I literally don't know what I am talking about. So I'm going to make an SC analogy and you can tell me whether it applies here. In SC, balance is for the highest levels. If a professional LoL team plays with a composition around Kog'Maw exceptionally well, is it likely that a team playing without Kog'Maw but still playing at the same level (with any other composition of their choosing of course) will defeat them? Would it be imbalanced if they could not?
It's also balanced around picks and counter picks. If a team is centering their comp around Kog blitzing everyone and getting a pentakill (exaggeration, but you get the point), then it will do exceedingly well provided they peel attackers off him. On the other hand, you'll get teams that counter with a Galio (high MR to negate W), or lots of gap closers, and then it's a control game to keep the Kog alive or kill him.
Like I said, though, Cait, Ez, maybe Vayne will shut him down in lane if at equal levels of play. That leads to a mid/late game scenario where the other AD is fed and has most of their items and the Kog doesn't.
I'd just say he's a real snowball champion. He wins lane, or gets a couple kills early, or both and suddenly he's an unstoppable killing machine that drops tanks in seconds. If he doesn't, and loses lane or goes even, it's not really as bad. My experience is limited, of course.
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On October 19 2011 03:49 mr_tolkien wrote:
If 2 teams had to play blind pick against each others, what would you expect the picks to be ?
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No retarded posts please.
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On October 19 2011 03:49 mr_tolkien wrote:
If 2 teams had to play blind pick against each others, what would you expect the picks to be ?
On October 19 2011 03:50 Southlight wrote:
Eve, Twitch, Shaco, Akali, Talon
vs
LS top, Brand mid, Cow Cait bot, and Udyr jungle
lmao, basically exactly this.
the akali talon team would probably win too.
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