[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 140

On October 18 2011 01:57 Slaughter wrote:
Wait so you should hit the tanks who do not much damage while their carries beat on you? Seems kinda pointless to keep hitting the tanks when they have blown all their cc/disrupt crap and they are engaged with your tank. Maybe my perspective is highly skewed because I am in the depths of hell when it comes to ranked and I rarely ever see team play but in my mind melee dps should not all be focusing a tank while the other team is raping your carries.

On October 18 2011 01:57 Slaughter wrote:
Wait so you should hit the tanks who do not much damage while their carries beat on you? Seems kinda pointless to keep hitting the tanks when they have blown all their cc/disrupt crap and they are engaged with your tank. Maybe my perspective is highly skewed because I am in the depths of hell when it comes to ranked and I rarely ever see team play but in my mind melee dps should not all be focusing a tank while the other team is raping your carries.

And thats what I do when Im Renek I chase people out of fights or kill them then wade right back into whoever I think is the priority target, But Tanks are usually last on my list since I do not go great dmg on them usually with Renek and they can ignore me.

I main karthus tho so usually I just wall to open a fight and then wade into it so my aoe hits as many people as possible while qing whatever person is doing the most damage/disruption to my team. I just wonder why you say tank 1st when there is some person right behind them just sitting there doing massive amounts of dmg to your team and their carry ends up with 3-4 kills because everyone focused rammus while they were killing our carries so we end up aced and they lost just rammus.

On October 18 2011 02:10 Ryuu314 wrote:
It's also worth mentioning that as a carry you do a significant damage to even tanks if you itemize properly aka last whisper instead of the second BT. At low elo people vastly underestimate the benefit of lw and usually opt for suboptimal items.

On October 18 2011 01:51 r.Evo wrote:


Waitwhat.

The problem at low elo is that PEOPLE DO NOT HIT THE TANKS, even if horribly out of position.

Your judgement is completely wrong. The problem is that people tend to IGNORE tanks to get the enemy carries and neglect that your carries usually have to chew through their tanks before they can go at the real threats.


If I'm a Caitlyn and there's a GP and Rammus in my face I can't hit the enemy Vayne. If my team tells me to focus her, my team is making a retarded call.

The whole concept of "focus" is completely misunderstood at low elo, which your post actually shows quite well. =P



The reason you have such a high winning percentage as Renekton is because the enemy team leaves their carries to 1n1 you, which means your team 4n4's with AD/AP/support/Jungle vs AP/support/jungle/solo top -> your team wins that 4n4 easily, cause you have both your main damage dealers in that fight while the enemy team lacks their AD.

The correct answer to a tank or tanky dps diving your carry is to 5n1 his sorry ass and then deal with the rest of his team.


Winning as tanky dps at lowish elo is all about driving enemy carries away from the fight and then coming back to 5n4.

On October 18 2011 02:12 -Zoda- wrote:

Personnally, when I can buy LW, I check ennemies' builds before. And since they never have armor (instead of the tank guy), I buy something else.

On October 18 2011 02:12 r.Evo wrote:


It pretty much goes like this:
AD carry has to hit the highest priority target that does NOT put him into danger himself.

If e.g. the closest target is a tanky dps who can smash his face in in melee range he has to somehow deal with this guy first. If your team (hint: Mostly solo top and jungle with the AP being caught in the middle) tries to dive the enemy carry at this point your team is in the scenario where they have AP/top/jungle vs AD/AP/jungle-scenario where the enemy team usually comes out on top.


When there is a tanky dps smashing your AD carries face in means he is IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ENTIRE TEAM WHEN HE STARTS DOING THAT (assuming the AD positions correctly). That also means you can 5n1 him without any trouble.

The worst possible scenario (from the AD's perspective) is that your own tanky dps charges their carries leaving you 1n1 with the tanky dps.

On October 18 2011 02:12 r.Evo wrote:




The worst possible scenario (from the AD's perspective) is that your own tanky dps charges their carries leaving you 1n1 with the tanky dps.

On October 18 2011 02:20 Slaughter wrote:


Your forgetting that at low elo (and to some extent higher elos) people don't think that that. They merely try to focus down the 1st person who comes into range, usually the tank so the only person who cares when that tanky dps is screaming bloody murder in your carries face is the person getting targeted. Basically what im saying is that there is no team work or effort besides everyone just kinda attacking who they want. No one at low elo is thinking of proper positioning or senarios of "they have AP/top/jungle vs AD/AP/Jungle. No one differentiates who on their team is possibly the most dangerous because they got a lot of farm. I make it a point to say in chat who on their team is farmed up and who isn't.

Hell at my low elo half the time there isn't even a jungle...on either team. Partly my fault for not knowing how to jungle worth a damn.

On October 18 2011 02:29 spacemonkey4eve wrote:


Honestly asking here. Isn't the job of the tanky dps to keep the enemy carry away from the teamfights, so that your own ad carry can take care of the others? I thought it was the job of the support to silence/stun the enemy tanks from closing in onto your ad carry.

I understand that this is all down to who is out of position. e.g. if it's a huge blob 5v5 then i as a tank would go straight for their carry. If not and their tank is overextended, then we'll try to take him out 5v1 without blowing any ults such as tibbers/demacian justice/etc

On October 18 2011 02:24 Slaughter wrote:
I actually have found that junglers can swing the game pretty hard early on. If your team gets a jungler who gets off several successful ganks while theirs doesn't or vice versa it sets up a game where one team is behind and that team usually isn't competent enough to come back or they rage too hard and stop trying because they are behind and they found their scapegoat (the jungler).

I think what I was trying to say about team fights is that people get tunnel vision and don't switch targets. They will lock onto one person and then throw everything to the wind to try to kill that person, even if that person retreats through his team so when they follow they get wtf raped. focusing like what was said is good...at times but you have to be flexible to switch targets when necessary. Which nobody does which is where my "they only focus the tanks" comment came from. I wasn't advocating people only go for 1 person and thats that.

On October 18 2011 02:39 r.Evo wrote:
Possible responses:
A) Post on TL that my team sucked and I lost cause no one protected me.
B) Find a way to deal with it.

On October 18 2011 02:47 mr_tolkien wrote:

C) Buy Talon, Xin, or Lee-Sin.

Wonderful chars sub 1k6 Elo !

On October 18 2011 02:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
Here's some food for thoughts:

- The team that wins a teamfight is the team that does more damage relative to the other team (% wise).
- CCing a target temporarily reduces their damage output
- Killing a target reduces their damage output to zero
- Hitting a bulky target doesn't deal much damage, but if the bulky target is being kited the entire time he deals no damage either.
- All damage done to a target is technically worthless until the target is dead (their damage output remains the same up till the point where their HP is zero)