On September 20 2011 14:52 rob.au wrote:
I realize he can jungle...do you realize that when you play against Nunu if your lane pushes past half-way you can no longer farm? He doesn't take skill at all. Sure you can easily make him a viable jungler, but it's the opposite direction to fixing the passive rice fests we see in competitive and high rated solo q games.

Yeah, if you're not warding for yourself--which also applies to virtually any other jungler.

Post-nerf Nunu ganks are in no way out of line with the other junglers in the champ pool.

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

September 20 2011 06:56 GMT

#1504

I'd like to see some nunu buffs, he's so much fun to play drunk. Putting consume back to where it was would be fine. Pretty stoked about more shen buffs as well. And Sivir is going to be looked at? I like the sounds of all these things (as long as looked at = keep everything the way it is but make her numbers slightly better, will be sad if they alter spell shield, or take away her awesome afk ricing)

arnath

United States1317 Posts

September 20 2011 07:10 GMT

#1505

Heh they think Nocturne, Jarvan, and Irelia are overpowered but Lee Sin is fine?

Craton

United States17303 Posts

September 20 2011 07:17 GMT

#1506

Nocturne and Irelia are too strong. They didn't say Jarvan was too strong, but that he suffered from having too much utility given his role.

I believe someone mentioned internally sivir has a change to w and a higher range than 425.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

September 20 2011 07:17 GMT

#1507

I have to say I feel nunu is actually one of the most skillful junglers O_o

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

September 20 2011 07:23 GMT

#1508

On September 20 2011 16:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
I have to say I feel nunu is actually one of the most skillful junglers O_o

yeah but he needs buffs so i can play him drunk and not fail hard. I enjoyed the days of super low and awesome consume.

esotericc

449 Posts

September 20 2011 07:32 GMT

#1509

Serious question, what happens to LoL when dota 2 hits I can't seem to ask this question anywhere without people assuming I am flaming LoL which isn't the case I am genuinely curious what the community thinks.

zalz

Netherlands3704 Posts

September 20 2011 07:35 GMT

#1510

I feel that Nunu has to be counter jungeling. He's a great jungler by the fact that he can so easily clear his own jungle and spit in the other guys jungle while he's doing it.

If you just regular jungle your own jungle then meh, i feel there are better choices.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

September 20 2011 07:43 GMT

#1511

On September 20 2011 16:32 esotericc wrote:
Serious question, what happens to LoL when dota 2 hits I can't seem to ask this question anywhere without people assuming I am flaming LoL which isn't the case I am genuinely curious what the community thinks.

Honestly, I dont think much will happen.

LoL's been around long enough and also has a large enough player base that it's highly unlikely it'll crash and burn. Also, the fact that it's f2p and that it's a drastically different game from DotA2 means that it's very possible and likely that the two games will just co-exist.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 20 2011 07:46 GMT

#1512

A significant number of people that play LoL simply prefer the play in it over DotA/HoN style play. It is that simple.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

September 20 2011 07:49 GMT

#1513

Reducing the cooldown on Taric's ult doesn't even begin to address the issues with its design. It's just a really, really poorly designed skill at this point and might as well be scrapped.

isM

United States735 Posts

September 20 2011 07:50 GMT

#1514

On September 20 2011 16:46 Southlight wrote:

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A significant number of people that play LoL simply prefer the play in it over DotA/HoN style play. It is that simple.

I am in that group. I have played DotA, but never touched HoN. I just find LoL more fun.

beef42

Denmark1037 Posts

September 20 2011 07:55 GMT

#1515

Also some of us (at least me) are pissed off that DotA apparently needs three different, but similiar, viable versions. I play LoL just because it is NOT DotA.

If they had made a new game with DotA 2 I would've been a lot more excited for it. Right now, I don't see why I should care about yet another remake.

rob.au

1087 Posts

September 20 2011 08:05 GMT

#1516

On September 20 2011 15:50 TheYango wrote:

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Yeah, if you're not warding for yourself--which also applies to virtually any other jungler.

Post-nerf Nunu ganks are in no way out of line with the other junglers in the champ pool.

I guess you start boots + ward + pot when you solo top.

Treadmill

Canada2833 Posts

September 20 2011 08:07 GMT

#1517

On September 20 2011 16:17 Craton wrote:
Nocturne and Irelia are too strong. They didn't say Jarvan was too strong, but that he suffered from having too much utility given his role.

I believe someone mentioned internally sivir has a change to w and a higher range than 425.

Higher range would be amazing for Sivir. She's so short now that she just cant lane against any of the other ad carries.

On September 20 2011 16:50 isM wrote:

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I am in that group. I have played DotA, but never touched HoN. I just find LoL more fun.

Isnt the DotA 2 community expected to be just as bad as the DotA community? 'Cause thats the main reason I prefer LoL to HoN or DotA - as lousy as the LoL community is sometimes it just doesn't compare to either of those.

Treadmill

Canada2833 Posts

September 20 2011 08:10 GMT

#1518

whoops, double post

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 20 2011 08:15 GMT

#1519

On September 20 2011 17:05 rob.au wrote:

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I guess you start boots + ward + pot when you solo top.

Ok, so Nunu can threaten strong pre-4 ganks. So can LS, Nocturne, GP, Fiddle, Udyr, Trundle, Jarvan, Maokai, Xin Zhao, and probably a bunch of other junglers I'm missing. But you say Nunu specifically scares you out of farming past the midline, and not junglers in general?

Again, how is his ganking power right now out of line with other junglers? He has to get Consume level 1 or 2 or lose his ability to present a counterjungle threat, which means he can't have both his gap closer and his CC until level 3--while many other common junglers can have BOTH by level 2 AND do more damage.

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

September 20 2011 08:27 GMT

#1520

On September 20 2011 08:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Did they lose because they built IE or because they got outplayed though? Madreds costs 3800 gold, and the passive isn't even good in the mid game when people have 1500 health. Buy a recurve as your first item all you want, but upgrading it into a bloodrazer seems like a waste of money in every respect.

I like opening Phantom Dancer personally because kogmaw lacks an escape so the movespeed is amazing and it provides attack speed. The crit also has perfect synergy with my eventual Infinity Edge.

Sorry for the late replies, but here are the final builds of the 5 IEM games with Kog :

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LOST :
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You see Madred's Bloodrazor centric build on the won side, IE builds on the other. On the won side, the opposing lineup changes a LOT, tending to prove it can be «standard» on a Kog.
If you build fast Madred's with Berserkers into Frozen M and Wit's ends it seems to be a very viable damage source and shouldn't be tossed apart that easily.