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[Patch 1.0.0.125: Riven] General Discussion - Page 70

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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 19 2011 16:17 GMT
#1381
On September 20 2011 01:11 Nikon wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 01:10 Requizen wrote:
@Nikon: Don't forget, you're also giving up the lifesteal as well. Crit is just better on champions with high attack speeds, where they have more chances to proc a Crit. Unless Riven's abilities can crit (don't think they can), I'd say BT is flat better.


Your passive can crit tho. And since it promotes auto attacks now and then, IEdge is probably a lot stronger on her than you imagine. But, like I said, I need to play more to see just how much of a negative effect the missing lifesteal is going to have.


Maybe, I'll try it out. But again, it's a bit of a toughness/damage debate. With BT, hitting W in a group of minions is like "holy crap when did Riven get a heal ability?", but I could see IE maybe being nice, and not losing the stacks when dying would be nice. Let me know how it affects your results, I'm pretty interested.
It's your boy Guzma!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 16:20:20
September 19 2011 16:19 GMT
#1382
And against all those characters wriggles is gonna do jack shit to actually help you, so there is STILL no point to getting it in favor of either more offense, or grabbing some pure defensive items.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 19 2011 16:19 GMT
#1383
your w doesn't heal u witih lifesteal
you need spellvamp if you want to heal off of it
Hey! Listen!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 16:22:13
September 19 2011 16:20 GMT
#1384
On September 20 2011 01:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
I play riven like pantheon, using dblades for defense, which also has the happy benefit of being very useful for offense. And if you cant handle a lane long enough with 2 dblades and boots to grab either a bruta or a bf sword, you need to reevaluate your last hitting ability.

But really, why does riven need wriggles? She already is going to trade favorably with most every champ simply because of her combo+passive, especially at early levels. Skipping wriggles for bruta or a bf sword lets you carry that advantage further into the game.

As far as I can see, there are two main arguments for why Wriggle's over DBlades in Riven's case. You're not spending THAT much more for Wriggle's, so it comes down to how the stats are split (as is always the case when judging Wriggle's vs. DBlades):

1) Because AD scales into Riven's in-fight HP through her shield, and because she has very poor armor/MR growth (non-existent in the case of MR) compared to her HP growth, the most in-demand defensive stats will be armor and MR, not HP, which makes the Wriggle's armor superior to DBlade HP. This is unlike Pantheon who gets natural MR growth, and has significantly higher base armor/armor growth, which makes HP much more attractive.

2) Because Riven is a melee laner with no natural form of HP sustain, she needs to get some sustain from somewhere. Wriggle's higher lifesteal % compared to DBlades is good for this. Early game, damage is not hugely worrisome, as her in-lane burst is considerable already.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 19 2011 16:21 GMT
#1385
On September 20 2011 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
You guys see this?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1250829

Something on the general forums I actually laughed at. Well, apart from Riots ESPORTS division.


xin
shhh
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 19 2011 16:24 GMT
#1386
On September 20 2011 01:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
And against all those characters wriggles is gonna do jack shit to actually help you, so there is STILL no point to getting it in favor of either more offense, or grabbing some pure defensive items.


Sure, like I said you can full on glass cannon her, but armor and lifesteal in lane DOES help keep you alive, you can't really deny that. I suppose I need to try other builds, so I'll try 2x DBlade Boots BFS later on.

On September 20 2011 01:19 Navi wrote:
your w doesn't heal u witih lifesteal
you need spellvamp if you want to heal off of it


Huh, I guess you're right. Disregard that, I thought I remembered seeing Q and W give me lifesteal. Was probably just passive giving big boosts.
It's your boy Guzma!
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
September 19 2011 16:33 GMT
#1387
Damn, I didn't get any IP back of my Annie and Poppy I bought before they were reduced. Looks like I'm screwed for Poppy 'cause I bought her less than two weeks before the announcement, but Annie was the first champ I got.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
September 19 2011 16:39 GMT
#1388
On September 20 2011 00:23 Trotske wrote:
Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?

Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.

kind of annoying to play against.

''build''
It's abusing a bug/glitch, that's about it. :/
currently rooting for myself.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 19 2011 16:56 GMT
#1389
On September 20 2011 01:39 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 00:23 Trotske wrote:
Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?

Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.

kind of annoying to play against.

''build''
It's abusing a bug/glitch, that's about it. :/

Has been fixed anyways so doesnt really matter.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#1390
Riven needs to get life steal off of her abilities, just played a fucking game trying out this build of 2 dblades, ninja tabi, and blood thirster. I did alright, 1/4/10 (swain on our team fed 1/10/5) so trynd and veigar were pretty much unstoppable, got ks'd by ally gangplank a couple times, not a big deal.

One thing that really bugs me, is when people play a new champ they always go recommended items, it takes them so long to finally branch out and try new things.

Main notes on why I dislike getting wriggles for riven (at least for laning-riven), riven uses her cooldowns VERY fast, that means you can burst through qwe, in a matter of seconds. The extra attack dmg from BF sword, and dblades justify just using her shield to dash in, burst through w and q, and running away. The shield should protect you from most dmg, while the W also prevents too much dmg being done to you (its a stun). Now if you're laning against ranged carries (like trist, or cait), wriggles is more justifiable, as they out range you, so the armor bonus definitely helps over a the longer period of time.
liftlift > tsm
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 17:16:48
September 19 2011 17:13 GMT
#1391
I like wriggles because I like to whore top for like 20 minutes as Riven (she's very competent at just staying there and farm up everything much like how you'd do it with singed), and the free wards add up. It's also the only armor you can buy if you don't go atmogs since the build will probably be wriggles -> BT -> QSS. I also tend to like going cloth + 5 pots as Riven though that's mostly because I don't dare go Dblade since I don't have the means to do anything once I am behind on HP so a single early gank would throw me out of lane.

She will continue to push top really hard and she's not the easiest person to gank unless you have greater mobility and won't just get derped by her stun the second you run up to her.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 19 2011 17:45 GMT
#1392
WHAT.

If you hold down the Tilde (~ or `) key, you only target champions. HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. So many missed Ignites and Combustions.............
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 19 2011 17:46 GMT
#1393
On September 19 2011 21:10 clickrush wrote:
trundle is just as much a tank as singed and galio. melees are generally tanks, except they have really high burst that allows you to kill stuff in 1 combo (gragas, garen come to mind).

The only way your not gonna play all the different roles/lanes is when you play premade 5's. I dont like ranged AD carries for example but when I have to I play them for the greater good -.- (even though I know there are other options to play bottom, I'am not into what happens in the chat when I pick sth else for there).


Apart from the fact that I only play jungle Trundle since lane isn't his forte, I have yet to find a solo queue game where I'd have to fill that AP carry slot.
Hell, yesterday I had when I first picked Morgana, w/o locking of course, and 3s later teammates pick Veigar, LeBlanc, Amumu (jungle, tho). Then lock before complaining about the absurde amount of AP on team. Glad an opponent dodged, would have had to do it myself.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
September 19 2011 18:07 GMT
#1394
On September 20 2011 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
You guys see this?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1250829

Something on the general forums I actually laughed at. Well, apart from Riots ESPORTS division.

omg, I read the whole thing, and while it was moderately funny at the start, I kept reading until the end because I thought there was something else to it... Something that made it worth reading 11pages of LoL chat...

And no.

There's nothing else to it.

Except the fact that xin is one of those average dumb player without a clue and starts arguing with Sona, who's "sshhh'ing" him for 20minutes, there is absolutely nothing funny passed the 3-4 first : xin. shh.

Morale of this story : Some people who play video games are dumb.

Well, I guess repetition is funny for some...
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 19 2011 18:11 GMT
#1395
On September 20 2011 02:45 Requizen wrote:
WHAT.

If you hold down the Tilde (~ or `) key, you only target champions. HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. So many missed Ignites and Combustions.............

See, Id actually love this feature, if not for the fact that my push to talk is the fucking tilde key, which makes last hitting and talking, ya know, impossible.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 19 2011 18:15 GMT
#1396
How do you even press the tilde key and QWER ^_^ Maybe my fingers are just short.

Although I've always used Mouse Button 4 for my push to talk so I could just lack practice...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 19 2011 18:17 GMT
#1397
On September 20 2011 03:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:45 Requizen wrote:
WHAT.

If you hold down the Tilde (~ or `) key, you only target champions. HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. So many missed Ignites and Combustions.............

See, Id actually love this feature, if not for the fact that my push to talk is the fucking tilde key, which makes last hitting and talking, ya know, impossible.


I thought the same thing. I was trying to talk on Vent and raging about not being able to last hit, thinking "why the fuck would you not want to target anything by pushing a button?". Then I found this out. If I can't remap this to Shift or side Mouse or something, I'm remapping my PTT instantly.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 19 2011 18:19 GMT
#1398
left ctrl is the ONLY push to talk button and you're a fool if you think otherwise
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
September 19 2011 18:25 GMT
#1399
You can't remap ` in-game.

I think it's listed in the key bindings somewhere but remapping said key binding doesn't actually do anything as far as I can see.

I told MoonBear about this a while ago but I'm not sure if he actually followed up on it.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:30:44
September 19 2011 18:27 GMT
#1400
On September 20 2011 03:19 gtrsrs wrote:
left ctrl is the ONLY push to talk button and you're a fool if you think otherwise

This cost me only 1 single fight, before I changed it.

You probably already know, but when you hold ctrl + (q/w/e/r), you can spend one point in that skill, if you have a skill point available.

I play nidalee a lot. I was speaking on vent while playing, and right as I get to lvl 6, I wanted to throw a spear, at the same time as I was speaking on vent... And there it is, 1 more point spent in Q at lvl 6, and no ultimate at level 6...

Then proceed to get ganked, I don't have my catform + pounce to run away, so I just die there.

I know it's at the extreme of the badluck that could happen, but hey, it happened once, it can happen more often.

My PTT is a f.ing mouse button now, and is the ONLY push to talk button and you're a fool if you think otherwise
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
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