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On September 19 2011 23:32 zalz wrote:
What is kinda the go-to build for Riven at the moment?
Bought her just now since she seemed fun, played a short custom game to see how the skills controlled and indeed she seemed a lot of fun.
But if anyone has a decent build (masteries/runes/items/skill order) so i atleast have a bit of a guideline, that be great.
I do Boots/Pots -> Wriggles -> Boots2 -> Brut -> Phage or BFS (tankier or damage) -> Upgrade what I have (Ghostblade, FMallet, BThirster) -> Tanky item as needed. Oddly enough, her recommended items are pretty good, as compared to other champions.
I'm gonna try Atmog's some more, but like I said above, she really needs AD scaling or she's ignorable.
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On September 19 2011 23:32 zalz wrote:
What is kinda the go-to build for Riven at the moment?
Bought her just now since she seemed fun, played a short custom game to see how the skills controlled and indeed she seemed a lot of fun.
But if anyone has a decent build (masteries/runes/items/skill order) so i atleast have a bit of a guideline, that be great.
The go-to build would be lane with Taric bottom. Riven has a suprisingly good burst at level 2 (assuming you skill QW), to the point where I've killed squishier champs by myself with the help of ignite. Now, Taric got rebalanced, but come on :> Alistar might also be a good partner and stuff.
Otherwise, the general school of thought is to get wriggle's, cdr boots and brutaliser, then go from there. Atmallet works, but I prefer atmogs + hogging red buff, much more better imo. Getting atmogs first is more of a general solo farm stuff, if you're duoing with Taric or stuff, you should be better off rushing the smaller items then snowballing hard from the kills you get. FoN is suprisingly good later on. CDR boots can be a bit of a hit or miss, but generally, Riven enjoys CDR.
Masteries are pretty standard 21/x/x, with the catch that you fill in the 3% cdr instead of the attack speed one. At least that's what I did. Or you could skip the extra damage from minions, but the difference isn't that big. Something to look into would be dodge yellows and 21/9/0 if you're laning with Taric. Flat CDR blues should also be good, depending on team comp and how comfortable you are with using them instead of MR.
Max W, then Q (or Q then W, but maxing W lowers its cd), R when you can, one point in E early on. E scales 1:1 with your AD, so as long as you get AD not leveling it should be okish, if you have a decent amount of cdr.
I hope I'm not missing anything obvious.
Oh right, you shouldn't be the initiator for your team in teamfights. Use your ult at the start, then after you finishing unloading QWE, use it again, something should die at this point. And try to come from the side a bit.
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just checked her stats again. what is certainly strong is her MS, HP-regen+gain, and HP gain and her AD scalings.
Her attackspeed is meh, her base attack is low, her armor and armor gain is shit, she has no mr gain (which is nothing special but there are some champs with mr gain), base values on abilities are meh/bad but have at least small AoE. Her burst is meh.
I think if they only upped her armor+gain, give her mr gain and give her better attackspeed, then she could fill her role way better. It will still not be viable to build her too tanky then, and trinity would still suck on her, and she even could jungle then. I wonder why they forced the stats so she cannot jungle, its not like she has anything that would make her the best ganker in the world or sth.
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WOW i missed top of page 69 again
they should fix rivens face it kind of looks like she got punched. she looks hot in one of her skins (you know which one i am talking about) but the other one is butt ugly too.
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I dont like wriggles on riven simply because it doesnt do enough for her. If you want to deal any damage whatsoever, you need a BT. And getting a wriggles just makes that take too long. Based on conversations ive had with Nony (who has played a shit ton of Riven) the proper build is 1-2 dblades into bruta and BT into tanky items. Personally, I advocate skipping the bruta and going straight for the bf sword when you can get away with it.
The problem with atmogs is it takes way to long to kick in, and for a character with fairly shitty base ratios but decent scaling, that isnt a good thing.
Oh and her recommended items are crap. Wriggles is good, but doesnt do enough. Hexdrinker is lulzy.
EDIT- Improving aspeed does nothing to help riven. She is a caster. The only time you throw autos is to make use of your passive, which interspaced between casts means you never run into the auto timer anyway.
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Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?
Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.
kind of annoying to play against.
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On September 20 2011 00:23 Trotske wrote:
Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?
Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.
kind of annoying to play against.
Or use QSS. They're patching it they said, but if they kept it...Skarner new OP!
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On September 20 2011 00:23 Trotske wrote:
Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?
Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.
kind of annoying to play against.
LOL
LOL
wishing i had skarner so bad right now
this is a must-try hahahah
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On September 20 2011 00:26 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:23 Trotske wrote:
Just curious has anyone else seen the Scarner build where you ward your fountain go tele + cleanse and ult the other teams fed carry to your fountain?
Cleanse gets rid of timer on tele so it turns into an instant.
kind of annoying to play against. LOL LOL wishing i had skarner so bad right now this is a must-try hahahah
You leaving noob.
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just be careful, the guy that was doing it to me was too slow sometimes and would just end up telleing out of a teamfight.
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On September 20 2011 00:21 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dont like wriggles on riven simply because it doesnt do enough for her. If you want to deal any damage whatsoever, you need a BT. And getting a wriggles just makes that take too long. Based on conversations ive had with Nony (who has played a shit ton of Riven) the proper build is 1-2 dblades into bruta and BT into tanky items. Personally, I advocate skipping the bruta and going straight for the bf sword when you can get away with it.
The problem with atmogs is it takes way to long to kick in, and for a character with fairly shitty base ratios but decent scaling, that isnt a good thing.
Oh and her recommended items are crap. Wriggles is good, but doesnt do enough. Hexdrinker is lulzy.
EDIT- Improving aspeed does nothing to help riven. She is a caster. The only time you throw autos is to make use of your passive, which interspaced between casts means you never run into the auto timer anyway.
Having "a little bit" of attack speed helps because it speeds up her swinging in between casts, and sometimes you just want to auto twice in a row because you cast several spells in a row to get into position and have to use up the charges.
Her autoattack ends up being the biggest scaling part (1.5 without ult active, 1.8 with ult active) of her so it's nice to be able to abuse that I find.
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Cleanse on EU West cancels teleport atm, remove scurvy cancels it aswell(half cd on tp), guess they fixed it.
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On September 20 2011 00:21 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dont like wriggles on riven simply because it doesnt do enough for her. If you want to deal any damage whatsoever, you need a BT. And getting a wriggles just makes that take too long. Based on conversations ive had with Nony (who has played a shit ton of Riven) the proper build is 1-2 dblades into bruta and BT into tanky items. Personally, I advocate skipping the bruta and going straight for the bf sword when you can get away with it.
The problem with atmogs is it takes way to long to kick in, and for a character with fairly shitty base ratios but decent scaling, that isnt a good thing.
Oh and her recommended items are crap. Wriggles is good, but doesnt do enough. Hexdrinker is lulzy.
EDIT- Improving aspeed does nothing to help riven. She is a caster. The only time you throw autos is to make use of your passive, which interspaced between casts means you never run into the auto timer anyway.
Yeah, Hexdrinker is the only real one I don't use.
Wriggles does plenty for her. AD, Armor, and Lifesteal? If you're against another AD melee in lane, it's basically the perfect item. I mean, yeah Bloodthirster is better straight up (except the armor), but having that early defensiveness makes you tougher to lane against. And Riven needs to be safe in lane because she's not a whole lot without her farm. She needs that AD scaling to do well.
I don't mind glass cannon Riven, but that's what you are, so expect to explode when someone looks at you funny. Bruta is such a huge boost early on, I don't know why you'd skip it. AD and CDR is like money on her. I guess you could rush for the BFS, but you don't really have anything until you get it. The DBlades only do good so long into the game, after a certain point you need other items, and that wonky time between DBlades effectiveness and BFS is where you're basically useless. You might not die if you play safe, but you're not doing any damage and you're basically hugging the tower.
Then again, if you're efficient about last hits (and you're not laning vs a range who zones you out), then you can farm really really fast and get built well. She hasn't been out long enough to say anything substantial. I mean, jeez, people are just starting to realize that Talon is total bullcrap, probably one of the best assassin types in the game.
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On September 20 2011 00:21 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dont like wriggles on riven simply because it doesnt do enough for her. If you want to deal any damage whatsoever, you need a BT. And getting a wriggles just makes that take too long. Based on conversations ive had with Nony (who has played a shit ton of Riven) the proper build is 1-2 dblades into bruta and BT into tanky items. Personally, I advocate skipping the bruta and going straight for the bf sword when you can get away with it.
The problem with atmogs is it takes way to long to kick in, and for a character with fairly shitty base ratios but decent scaling, that isnt a good thing.
Oh and her recommended items are crap. Wriggles is good, but doesnt do enough. Hexdrinker is lulzy.
EDIT- Improving aspeed does nothing to help riven. She is a caster. The only time you throw autos is to make use of your passive, which interspaced between casts means you never run into the auto timer anyway.
If you're solo laning Wriggle's tends to help, unless you kill your opponent 1-2 times before you can get it. In which case, eh... whatever goes. But yeah, since I recommend laning with Taric, it's kinda not that good I suppose.
Usually, I try to sneak in a giant belt when I can in the build as well, helps surviving a lot.
Also, since when I play I tend to hang back and enter the teamfight has started, I tried out IEdge instead of BT, and the results were interesting. Don't know if her passive can crit tho, need to check it actually, brb.
Edit: Yeah, so her passive crits. By trading your BT for an IE, you lose 24 AD (factoring in ult, but you gain 25% crit and 50% extra crit damage. Not too bad, considering that you want to weave in auto attacks.
Then, there's the issue of lifesteal, but I guess I'll have to play more games to gauge how that affects me accurately.
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I play riven like pantheon, using dblades for defense, which also has the happy benefit of being very useful for offense. And if you cant handle a lane long enough with 2 dblades and boots to grab either a bruta or a bf sword, you need to reevaluate your last hitting ability.
But really, why does riven need wriggles? She already is going to trade favorably with most every champ simply because of her combo+passive, especially at early levels. Skipping wriggles for bruta or a bf sword lets you carry that advantage further into the game.
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@Nikon: Don't forget, you're also giving up the lifesteal as well. Crit is just better on champions with high attack speeds, where they have more chances to proc a Crit. Unless Riven's abilities can crit (don't think they can), I'd say BT is flat better.
As a random aside, when talking ranged AD carries like Cait or Ashe, what do people think of Madred's Bloodrazor? I don't think it packs enough punch for the price, but I saw an Ashe completely dominate with it and Berserker's/PD. Probably negated by enough MR, but that on-hit is crazy.
...Actually, might be great on AS Kayle. Must try that tonight.
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I'm not saying get wriggle's every time, it just might be useful in some cases. Like vs Garen or something, although last time I got it, I was laning vs Caitlyn (don't ask).
And yeah, if you're laning vs melee of some sort, bruta->cdr boots seems to be extremely effective, but that might need reevaluation, since I ran arpen quint+red, which means that she does full damage to pretty much anyone with just brutaliser early on. I'm thinking of swapping the quints out for ms quints. Shouldn't affect the early game too much.
On September 20 2011 01:10 Requizen wrote:
@Nikon: Don't forget, you're also giving up the lifesteal as well. Crit is just better on champions with high attack speeds, where they have more chances to proc a Crit. Unless Riven's abilities can crit (don't think they can), I'd say BT is flat better.
Your passive can crit tho. And since it promotes auto attacks now and then, IEdge is probably a lot stronger on her than you imagine. But, like I said, I need to play more to see just how much of a negative effect the missing lifesteal is going to have.
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On September 20 2011 01:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
I play riven like pantheon, using dblades for defense, which also has the happy benefit of being very useful for offense. And if you cant handle a lane long enough with 2 dblades and boots to grab either a bruta or a bf sword, you need to reevaluate your last hitting ability.
But really, why does riven need wriggles? She already is going to trade favorably with most every champ simply because of her combo+passive, especially at early levels. Skipping wriggles for bruta or a bf sword lets you carry that advantage further into the game.
Most champs? Eh... probably not. Her scaling means her passive doesn't really do a whole bunch until she's got some AD (DBlades help, probably not enough past a certain point), and until you get E leveled and/or get some CDR, you can't catch ranged opponents.
Even melee to an extent. Talon zones her out like a mofo with his poof jump and slow. Akali just Q's you to death and laughs in her bubble. Anyone with a ranged poke and any sort of tankiness is incredibly hard to lane against (Lee Sin for example). She lanes stupidly well against some champs, but not enough that I'd call her "dominating" or even "favorable trading".
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Xin
Shhhh
New nr 1 way to troll, god this is going to be good.
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