[Patch 1.0.0.124: Talon] General Discussion - Page 7

Yttrasil

Sweden651 Posts

August 24 2011 14:47 GMT

#121

On August 24 2011 23:39 LaNague wrote:
i cant login on any of the eu servers, anyone else heving problems or knows whats going on?

On eu east? They are fucked up as hell, am in but refuses to start game, doesnt let u pick champions but randoms for u refuses ban, etc etc and it goes in an infinite loop so you cannot exit queue when it fails either etc.

0123456789

United States3216 Posts

August 24 2011 14:53 GMT

#122

Talon seems pretty balanced, aka he's OP. Every time I say someone is OP, they come out to be bad.

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

August 24 2011 14:54 GMT

#123

On August 24 2011 23:37 Lorken wrote:

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Zilean's ult got dropped pretty hard.

Also, I think they need to nerf other forms of sustain other than just heals, lifesteal/spell vamp can get pretty ridiculous.

Also, is Nasus' slow the best in the game? I almost got a guy to a complete stop with it. Leads to really easy kills if you have someone who deals lots of damage with you.

Best slows in the game:
AoE - Singed
Single Target - Nasus
Nasus' slow is good, sure, but the best part is the attack speed reduction, making nasus almost impossible to 1v1

Edit:
also it's pretty funny throwing your slow on jax and watch him trying to build up stacks

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

August 24 2011 14:57 GMT

#124

On August 24 2011 23:47 Yttrasil wrote:

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well, on west there is a queue and after the queue i get "retrieve data from server" for an hour.
On west i get the same without queue, but it started 30 mins after the west problems, i was able to play 1 game when west didnt work any longer.

I guess its for everybody, threads started to pop u.

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

August 24 2011 14:57 GMT

#125

On August 24 2011 23:47 Yttrasil wrote:

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On EU west the countdown starts at like 1h+, then slowly grinds to 0 within like half an hour, then it freezes. >_>

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 24 2011 14:57 GMT

#126

So I've been playing more recently. I want to start focusing on just one champion to get better. The people I play with are usually a Morde, an Ashe and a Rammus.

The champions I own:
- Lux
- Twisted Fate
- Corki
- Master Yi
- (I've played Brand when he was free, probably going to buy him when my IP gets back up)

Any suggestions on which one to focus on? I like playing high damage and/or high mobility characters, so those are the ones I went for, but (obviously) they all have drawbacks.

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

August 24 2011 14:58 GMT

#127

On August 24 2011 23:27 NeoIllusions wrote:

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On August 24 2011 23:19 zalz wrote:

On August 24 2011 23:07 phyvo wrote:

On August 24 2011 21:27 spinesheath wrote:

All the other high sustain champs are getting nerfed too. So what if Nidalee doesn't have a godmode laning phase? Those new Spears and the recent buff(bugfix) to Traps make her really strong mid/lategame.

Other high sustain champs also getting nerfed isn't relevant to Nidalee early because Nidalee never went bottom to lane against them. But more to the point, I don't really see spears as something that can make up for having reduced laning presence. Reduced laning presence = reduced farm = reduced damage on spears.

On August 24 2011 21:36 zalz wrote:

Noone of that matters.

You can still go top, you can still punish without end and you can still never be ganked.

Nidalee just goes top and push till the inhib is down, and she can still do that. Perhaps even better now that the leap is going to be subject to CD reduction.

Punish without end? I don't understand how you're "punishing without end" when Nidalee's ability to trade damage is largely a result of her mana being her health bar, something that just got nerfed by 40-60% depending on how much AP you have. With a nerf like that you're *going* to go OOM and when you do you have to bluepill. That's not "punishing without end", that's being a run of the mill solo laner.

As for pounce, yes it's 25% more spammable when you have 40% cdr but to get that you either have to build that CDR or elixir pump + runes + blue buff. Just blue buff alone will only give you 5% more spam than pre-patch, anything more and you have to give up damage or survivability.

Maybe my QQ is a bit unwarranted (after all patch isn't even live yet) but at the same time I feel like your mid/lategame doesn't matter if you're completely forced out of lane early game, especially pre-6 (where Nidalee is weakest). Maybe it won't actually be that bad but zalz certainly seems to think that the heal nerf will be a complete non-issue, an idea I find to be completely ridiculous.

The heal nerf will not affect her in any serious matter. Not nearly enough as it should be.

Think about what her heal is now, and be honest. Her heal currently means you never ever have to leave the lane. It's so cheap and heals so much that you can't ever be forced off. Anyone that tries to deal damage gets damaged way more by you and you can just heal yourself up again.

Nidalee is going to go from godlike to god-esque. She will remain a perma ban in tournaments simply because:

1) You still can't force her off the lane with 1v1 damage.

2) You still can't gank her.

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I'm not sure why you're thinking this isn't a big deal. Nid heal costs more now and heals considerable less. That 1.25 to 0.7 drop is ridiculous. I don't think any other skill has had such a big single patch AP drop before.

If she can't heal like she could last patch, she definitely can't bully lane/trade hits as well early on. If you look at how HSGG played Nid at IEM, he would consistently trade hits with WW and push him back into tower. Take a free tower hit while auto'ing WW? np.

Again, you're healing for about 40-60% less per mana than you used to be at max rank of E depending on your AP. Just imagine laning with ignite healing reduction on you all the time and that's more or less what this healing change amounts to. Early on the real numbers aren't actually that bad (at level 1 it's actually -20%) but Nidalee's heal never got completely comfortable until you got 2 points in it anyways.

I never wanted to imply that Nidalee's pre-patch heal wasn't ridiculously good. But with sustain there's always a threshold where X champ can either outharass the sustain or he can't. Was Nidalee's heal really sooooooo good that cutting it by 50% wouldn't hurt her? I think that the answer is no. Time will tell.

However, I do agree with you that Nid will still be a tournament ban. Players like HSGG will manage the heal nerf and simply roll people with Spears even more now. But the weaker heal means less lane sustainability and that may contribute to a slightly slower NLR and other items.

For what it's worth HSGG said "RIP Nidalee" but then it's not like he isn't biased.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 24 2011 14:59 GMT

#128

On August 24 2011 23:57 Requizen wrote:
So I've been playing more recently. I want to start focusing on just one champion to get better. The people I play with are usually a Morde, an Ashe and a Rammus.

The champions I own:
- Lux
- Twisted Fate
- Corki
- Master Yi
- (I've played Brand when he was free, probably going to buy him when my IP gets back up)

Any suggestions on which one to focus on? I like playing high damage and/or high mobility characters, so those are the ones I went for, but (obviously) they all have drawbacks.

Corki and Brand.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 24 2011 15:01 GMT

#129

lolol, you can never take what HSGG says for face value. zz

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

August 24 2011 15:01 GMT

#130

On August 24 2011 23:59 NeoIllusions wrote:

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Corki and Brand.

Tristana.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 24 2011 15:03 GMT

#131

On August 25 2011 00:01 r.Evo wrote:

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Tristana.

I haven't yet played her, how does she play? Straight AD/AS carry?

0123456789

United States3216 Posts

August 24 2011 15:05 GMT

#132

1.0 scaling from both ap and ad on kayle's reckoning O_O

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 24 2011 15:06 GMT

#133

On August 24 2011 23:59 NeoIllusions wrote:

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Corki and Brand.

Kinda figured, looking at forums and the like. TF looked like a cool character, but he's so squishy and doesn't really have enough damage output to justify it.

Lux is probably my favorite as far as fun goes, but I just can't seem to actually kill anything as her. The CC is nice for getting assists and the like, but any type of killing power isn't really there. Maybe I just need to play better, but eh.

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

August 24 2011 15:10 GMT

#134

On August 25 2011 00:03 Requizen wrote:

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I haven't yet played her, how does she play? Straight AD/AS carry?

Hugest mobility of any AD carry (her jump CD resets on kills/assists), strongest AS steroid (90% at lvl 5), healing reduction and a knockback ult (most effective way to protect yourself from bitches like Irelia who ignore any other form of cc anyway) to keep divers off your ass.

Early game she's pretty much a very strong burst caster that goes in with jump+e+later ult, once she has her IE she's a straight AD carry.

Edit: And she's dirt cheap or even free if you like league of legends on facebook. =P

STS17

United States1817 Posts

August 24 2011 15:11 GMT

#135

So someone please explain to me why an assassin has crazy AoE damage instead of crazy single target damage?

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

August 24 2011 15:12 GMT

#136

So bloody typical. I finally get Vlad... just 1-2 patches after he's heavily nerfed. I get Orianna, and she's immediately nerfed.

I should start buying all the heroes I consider OP, they are guaranteed to be nerfed.

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

August 24 2011 15:15 GMT

#137

that 20 less dmg wont break orianna....

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

August 24 2011 15:17 GMT

#138

On August 25 2011 00:12 Tobberoth wrote:
So bloody typical. I finally get Vlad... just 1-2 patches after he's heavily nerfed. I get Orianna, and she's immediately nerfed.

I should start buying all the heroes I consider OP, they are guaranteed to be nerfed.

Intentional?

Vlad is still not underpowered btw, really underrated because of the nerfs.

JonsaBoy

Denmark457 Posts

August 24 2011 15:20 GMT

#139

On August 25 2011 00:11 STS17 wrote:
So someone please explain to me why an assassin has crazy AoE damage instead of crazy single target damage?

Obviously cause he assasinates the entire team, duh.

Also I agree with Csheep and BP in maxing Q first. Anything else doesn't make sense. Why should i have to burn 200-250 mana every time I want to harass someone when i can just fire a Q and do the same thing way more mana efficiently and reliably?

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

August 24 2011 15:20 GMT

#140

I don't get why they didn't nerf karma's heal? Isn't she the obvious support choice now besides janna?

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