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[Patch 1.0.0.124: Talon] General Discussion - Page 10

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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 24 2011 16:45 GMT
#181
AP TF still isn't too bad, but he's way too squishy and way too short ranged to be in auto-attack range so building him AD is generally bad unless you are resigning yourself to back door duties (which his nerfed ult makes him much worse at). In lane he's pretty safe if you're good at landing wild cards and they hit pretty hard. Once a teamfight breaks out assuming you have any competence at all with pick a card he can put out some good CC as well.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 24 2011 16:45 GMT
#182
On August 25 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote:
TF's still OK.

Well, he is an ad carry with an on demand stun, which is nice. But the fact that he has a smallish autoattack range kind of sucks, and the fact that his ultimate used to be one of the best in the game and now isnt makes anyone who played him pre nerf want to cry.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Nfi
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 16:47:14
August 24 2011 16:46 GMT
#183
wtf 500 mb patch? o.o
ahh to prepare for dominion makes sense.
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person, give man a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 24 2011 16:49 GMT
#184
On August 25 2011 01:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote:
TF's still OK.

Well, he is an ad carry with an on demand stun, which is nice. But the fact that he has a smallish autoattack range kind of sucks, and the fact that his ultimate used to be one of the best in the game and now isnt makes anyone who played him pre nerf want to cry.


I played him heavily pre-nerf, and he was absolutely insane. Coordinated ganks with jungler post-6 were basically guaranteed kills. Now that's limited to essentially whatever lane he is in plus maybe the lane next to him. His ult is still amazing for doing baron / dragon since you can reveal exactly where every enemy champion is making the decision of whether or not to commit to engaging the monster much simpler.
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br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
August 24 2011 16:49 GMT
#185
how's talon? anyone test him out yet?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 24 2011 16:49 GMT
#186
On August 25 2011 01:44 Southlight wrote:
The new TF is still fine, he's just not batshit broken. I've seen plenty of perfectly good TFs, if not dominating.

He's an AP hero with one of the best burst damage, has sick sustain, decent laning power if you're good with gold + WC, farms well, punches down towers like they don't exist, and still has map control.

People're acting like he's suddenly shit tier when he still has a pretty good ranged teleport.

I wouldn't say his burst damage is that good, it's just that it's long range, short CD, and super hard to retaliate against. You don't pick him to instagib someone, you pick him to rape people 1v1 via gold card -> WC -> duck and weave for 3 seconds -> do it again and to poke stupid long range at towers.

On August 25 2011 01:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 01:41 Mogwai wrote:
TF's still OK.

Well, he is an ad carry with an on demand stun, which is nice. But the fact that he has a smallish autoattack range kind of sucks, and the fact that his ultimate used to be one of the best in the game and now isnt makes anyone who played him pre nerf want to cry.

meh, AD TF is still just too short ranged IMO. all the good ones I've seen are still AP.
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
August 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#187
this patch
is huge
i opened it up
went to shower
came back
still downloading, 63% done~
:)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 24 2011 16:52 GMT
#188
On August 25 2011 01:44 Southlight wrote:
The new TF is still fine, he's just not batshit broken. I've seen plenty of perfectly good TFs, if not dominating.

He's an AP hero with one of the best burst damage, has sick sustain, decent laning power if you're good with gold + WC, farms well, punches down towers like they don't exist, and still has map control.

People're acting like he's suddenly shit tier when he still has a pretty good ranged teleport.


boohoo, I can't teleport from fountain anymore.

zzz. TF is still gud. AP or AD.

On August 25 2011 01:49 br0fivE wrote:
how's talon? anyone test him out yet?


NA servers aren't up yet.

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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 24 2011 16:52 GMT
#189
Well I mean when he comes in and GC + WC you're usually pretty fucked, hahah. I don't think his sustained damage output is too great given the long CDs on almost everything, but from a burst standpoint he's pretty good. He's like Ezreal; get sheen and your burst is sickening. The AP + LB is cherry on top.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 24 2011 16:54 GMT
#190
What? Long CDs... TF... HUH!?

He has built in 15% CDR with base 6 second CDs on both his nukes. That's disgustingly low.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 24 2011 16:55 GMT
#191
AP TF is a boss at sieging... WC all day, everyday.

What CD?
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Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
August 24 2011 16:56 GMT
#192
God I really hate the login times after patch. >.> Apparently I can login in EU east/nordic now.
Gonna give Talon a try once I get my hands on him.
End my suffering
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 24 2011 16:57 GMT
#193
Wait WC was 6? I thought it was like 12. zzz

So fuck that then.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2011 16:57 GMT
#194
On August 25 2011 00:58 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jsyc6/wetdream_comments_on_why_he_left_sk/

Wetdream left SK, read if you want to hear a lot of bitching.



http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=367973

this thread also gives you the other side of the story. WD is apparently being accused for hacking and making up stuff.

He also lied about himself leaving SK. He actually got kicked from the team.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
August 24 2011 16:57 GMT
#195
Holy balls, 450 MB remaining.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 16:59:43
August 24 2011 16:58 GMT
#196
Wait, you build him AP? I thought he was a straight AD/AS build.

Hm. I can kind of see WC with big AP being good, but he still doesn't seem to have an advantage over any other AP carry in the game. I don't see why to pick him over Ryze or Annie any day. The stun is nice, but 1v1 if you miss a single Gold you're kinda fucked.

Ninja edit: Not sure if mana's a huge problem with AP TF, if you're spamming WC. Pick up mana potions or just pull a Blue every so often?
Whatevs
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 16:59:58
August 24 2011 16:59 GMT
#197
Because he's got the teleport, which is still nasty despite the range de-buff, and with Lichbane he's insane. Plus he has fantastic siege, better than I realized because his WC doesn't have as long a CD as I thought, lol.

Edit;
You can build him for damage but as mentioned I think his range blows and he doesn't have the survivability for it. Much better to hit+run with AP + Lichbane.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
August 24 2011 16:59 GMT
#198
On August 25 2011 01:57 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 00:58 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jsyc6/wetdream_comments_on_why_he_left_sk/

Wetdream left SK, read if you want to hear a lot of bitching.



http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=367973

this thread also gives you the other side of the story. WD is apparently being accused for hacking and making up stuff.

He also lied about himself leaving SK. He actually got kicked from the team.


Wait a second. Wetdream.. hacking? WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2011 17:02 GMT
#199
On August 25 2011 01:58 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, you build him AP? I thought he was a straight AD/AS build.

Hm. I can kind of see WC with big AP being good, but he still doesn't seem to have an advantage over any other AP carry in the game. I don't see why to pick him over Ryze or Annie any day. The stun is nice, but 1v1 if you miss a single Gold you're kinda fucked.

Ninja edit: Not sure if mana's a huge problem with AP TF, if you're spamming WC. Pick up mana potions or just pull a Blue every so often?


I think the reason is that you get more burst and dont rely on autoattacking too much with him so you can adapt your positioning better + you deal more AoE damage as well.. You pick him over other AP carries because of his R.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
August 24 2011 17:02 GMT
#200
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