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On August 25 2011 02:13 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:58 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, you build him AP? I thought he was a straight AD/AS build.
Hm. I can kind of see WC with big AP being good, but he still doesn't seem to have an advantage over any other AP carry in the game. I don't see why to pick him over Ryze or Annie any day. The stun is nice, but 1v1 if you miss a single Gold you're kinda fucked.
Ninja edit: Not sure if mana's a huge problem with AP TF, if you're spamming WC. Pick up mana potions or just pull a Blue every so often? I'm just gonna say it. He's god awful as AD/AS against anyone who knows what they're doing. He's basically in Melee range in order to auto attack (I don't think his attack outranges a single stun or hard CC) so you have to commit to anything and everything. You sacrifice one of his abilities almost completely (Wild Cards turns into a BV popper instead of a potent nuke) and a single mistep once you've engaged leaves you dead. He does basically nothing better then any other AD/AS carry out there. It is important to note that he's unlike annie/brand when playing AP in the sense that his goal isn't to just roflstomp someone in .5 seconds with his combo once he gets all of his abilities, but he can wear someone down from range without effecting his farm at all (and he can clear waves pretty quick with red card and wild cards)
You'd think a champion with the tag "Assassin" would be pretty good at roflstomping. Alack, alas, poking seems to be his only strong suit. I guess if you get lucky and Gate someone and GC/WC an enemy with low health you can do a lot, but not like other mages :\
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On August 25 2011 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback. Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid  Thank lordy... I can only hope. AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring...
I agree, and this is coming from a support player :p
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On August 25 2011 02:44 broz0rs wrote:
My normal game last night, during champion selection I wait on what everybody picks and choose Singed since the team was squishy. This one guys says:
"Singed? I hope you know that Singed is really fucking bad."
He promptly queue dodged. What a hilarious moment.
Wow. I didn't believe players could be THAT bad
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On August 25 2011 02:47 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback. Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid Thank lordy... I can only hope. AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring... I agree, and this is coming from a support player :p
Sry but you aren't a REAL support player.
Get back on the AP train, ubad.
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To be honest I don't actually consider myself to have ever been a true AP player either, lol. Most of my games logged have been on tanks, and that's where my bread and better comes from. Rammus, Malphite, Amumu, tankrelia, tankassadin, etc.
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HSGG really going to town on Riot and this patch. Basically saying Nidalee is not viable competitively any more and QQing about her Dodge nerf; claiming Riot eventually going to phase Dodge as a stat in this game. smh
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Soraka 120 armor bonus.... Does this even make sense
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On August 25 2011 02:50 Southlight wrote:
To be honest I don't actually consider myself to have ever been a true AP player either, lol. Most of my games logged have been on tanks, and that's where my bread and better comes from. Rammus, Malphite, Amumu, tankrelia, tankassadin, etc.
Oh, I know what you do play. I'm just saying what I think you should play. :D
For all your mad aggro/balls deep/"initiating" moves, I imagine you actually accomplishing shit if you were a Brand or a Cass. 
Just saying...
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On August 25 2011 02:53 broz0rs wrote:
HSGG really going to town on Riot and this patch. Basically saying Nidalee is not viable competitively any more and QQing about her Dodge nerf; claiming Riot eventually going to phase Dodge as a stat in this game. smh
Well, I kind of dont like dodge as a stat personally. Its REALLY freakin good and super frustrating when it works.
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On August 25 2011 02:53 0123456789 wrote:
Soraka 120 armor bonus.... Does this even make sense
At level 5, it's a +45 armor difference (80 vs 125). But at that high level of Armor, is it really going to make that much of a difference? With diminishing returns and all...
o.O
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On August 25 2011 02:55 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:53 0123456789 wrote:
Soraka 120 armor bonus.... Does this even make sense At level 5, it's a +45 armor difference (80 vs 125). But at that high level of Armor, is it really going to make that much of a difference? With diminishing returns and all... o.O
chain vest
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I can't play Cass, that click aim mechanism fucks me up  I'd probably be a purty good Brand. But I like me Irelia I'm actually thinking of checking out Jarv now that Q isn't bugged anymore (I think?) lol.
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I even bought a massive MR page for Irelia. I r invincibooooooooooooo.
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On August 25 2011 03:00 Southlight wrote:I can't play Cass, that click aim mechanism fucks me up I'd probably be a purty good Brand. But I like me Irelia I'm actually thinking of checking out Jarv now that Q isn't bugged anymore (I think?) lol. Edit: I even bought a massive MR page for Irelia. I r invincibooooooooooooo.
Thought you used to play BLC. ez mode.
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On August 25 2011 02:55 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:53 0123456789 wrote:
Soraka 120 armor bonus.... Does this even make sense At level 5, it's a +45 armor difference (80 vs 125). But at that high level of Armor, is it really going to make that much of a difference? With diminishing returns and all... o.O
armor doesn't give diminishing returns herp derp
1 point of armor gives you 1% more of your hp in ehp
100 armor = 100% more ehp, so if you have 100 armor and 1000 hp you have 2000 ehp = 1000hp/2000 ehp = 50% damage reduction from armor
200 armor = 200% more ehp so 200 armor, 1000 hp = 3000 ehp = 1000hp/3000ehp = 67% damage reduction
herp derp diminishing returns my ass
so just to put this in perspective
ashe has 1500 hp at 16, add 125 armor, she gets 1800 ehp from it. For comparison, a full judgement deals 780 damage before armor. thanks riot.
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On August 25 2011 02:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:53 broz0rs wrote:
HSGG really going to town on Riot and this patch. Basically saying Nidalee is not viable competitively any more and QQing about her Dodge nerf; claiming Riot eventually going to phase Dodge as a stat in this game. smh Well, I kind of dont like dodge as a stat personally. Its REALLY freakin good and super frustrating when it works.
Yeah I would like to see dodge go as well
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On August 25 2011 03:01 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:55 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 25 2011 02:53 0123456789 wrote:
Soraka 120 armor bonus.... Does this even make sense At level 5, it's a +45 armor difference (80 vs 125). But at that high level of Armor, is it really going to make that much of a difference? With diminishing returns and all... o.O armor doesn't give diminishing returns herp derp 1 point of armor gives you 1% more of your hp in ehp 100 armor = 100% more ehp, so if you have 100 armor and 1000 hp you have 2000 ehp = 1000hp/2000 ehp = 50% damage reduction from armor 200 armor = 200% more ehp so 200 armor, 1000 hp = 3000 ehp = 1000hp/3000ehp = 67% damage reduction herp derp diminishing returns my ass
hmm, ok then. I didn't know, so thanks for the explanation.
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On August 25 2011 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback. Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid Thank lordy... I can only hope. AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring...
Eh, maybe it's boring for you, but for me it was tons better splitting bottom CS with someone and ending up with 2 underfarmed characters. Perhaps we'll see a resurgence of roam Alistar?
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On August 25 2011 03:02 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback. Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid Thank lordy... I can only hope. AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring... Eh, maybe it's boring for you, but for me it was tons better splitting bottom CS with someone and ending up with 2 underfarmed characters. Perhaps we'll see a resurgence of roam Alistar?
Er, let me reiterate then. Boring to spectate. Not so bad to play.
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Anybody know what time the server is suppose to go up ?
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So how are you guys planning to skill / open with Soraka now?
I'm guessing I'll be going with W - E - E - Q then E > W / Q situationaly. Or maybe just E for big harass early and open with Faerie + 2 Wards + 3 HP / 1 Mana? Without W, early game trading will be pretty weird though. She still seems to be pretty viable either way. Time to replace those ArP runes with MPen ones!
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