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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
we have a jarvan with atmogs and mallet. he has 4k hp. he has 120 armor from runes and passive and atmas. we have soraka heal for 350 + 125 armor. The heal gives 787.5 ehp alone. on top of jarvan's 4k hp. that's 5k ehp, so a total of about 5800 ehp. Jarvan currently has 8800 ehp. with one spell, soraka just fucking increased jarvan's tankiness by 60% (and I'm not even counting his shield!). And i think we all know how fucking hard it is to kill jarvan. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:05 Laneir wrote: Anybody know what time the server is suppose to go up ? 1 PM PST On August 25 2011 03:06 Skipper240 wrote: So how are you guys planning to skill / open with Soraka now? I'm guessing I'll be going with W - E - E - Q then E > W / Q situationaly. Or maybe just E for big harass early and open with Faerie + 2 Wards + 3 HP / 1 Mana? Without W, early game trading will be pretty weird though. She still seems to be pretty viable either way. Time to replace those ArP runes with MPen ones! Still going to stick with WEEWER, E > W > Q > R. If I'm going to test out Starfall, I'll probably add it in 4-5 and see how it goes. Weaker effective heals but still not sold on changing her build yet, so we'll see. Open Faerie, 2 hp, 3 wards still. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:06 Caller wrote: just to put this in perspective we have a jarvan with atmogs and mallet. he has 4k hp. he has 120 armor from runes and passive and atmas. we have soraka heal for 350 + 125 armor. The heal gives 787.5 ehp alone. on top of jarvan's 4k hp. that's 5k ehp, so a total of about 5800 ehp. Jarvan currently has 8800 ehp. with one spell, soraka just fucking increased jarvan's tankiness by 60% (and I'm not even counting his shield!). And i think we all know how fucking hard it is to kill jarvan. Only for 5 seconds though | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
40% cdr on soraka, 12 second cooldown you're right it'll only be friggin impossible to kill the target half the time | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:06 Caller wrote: just to put this in perspective we have a jarvan with atmogs and mallet. he has 4k hp. he has 120 armor from runes and passive and atmas. we have soraka heal for 350 + 125 armor. The heal gives 787.5 ehp alone. on top of jarvan's 4k hp. that's 5k ehp, so a total of about 5800 ehp. Jarvan currently has 8800 ehp. with one spell, soraka just fucking increased jarvan's tankiness by 60% (and I'm not even counting his shield!). And i think we all know how fucking hard it is to kill jarvan. Madred's Blood Razers or Vayne. Armor is useless against both. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:16 STS17 wrote: Madred's Blood Razers or Vayne. Armor is useless against both. Play vayne every game because soraka is on the other team. This would be quite funny | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:16 STS17 wrote: Madred's Blood Razers or Vayne. Armor is useless against both. huehue, Armor stacking is obviously not a blanket build. If enemy team has MF or Ashe, have fun building that BR. On August 25 2011 03:17 Alaric wrote: Gragas seems to be quite hard to play... any advice? I looked up several guides but most of them rush mejai, which I don't want to even hear about. Uh, be a bit more specific? What are you asking advice on? If it's build, just start out with the typical Ring, Ring, Deathcap, Void Staff <> Banshee's build. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23461 Posts
Alistar #1 Support now. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:17 Alaric wrote: Gragas seems to be quite hard to play... any advice? I looked up several guides but most of them rush mejai, which I don't want to even hear about. actually he is one of the easiest heroes to play, and fun at that. Grab solo top. Grab W then E this way you hit for over 90 with your autoattack at all times making last hitting piss easy, you have a great anti gank skill and you regen hp like a mad man. then just level your q and r and kill shit. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:20 Slayer91 wrote: Dunno what you guys are talking about with roam alistar, alistar basically got no nerfs for laning except his tower diving power. He still has insane laning and insane healing with his 20 mana AoE heal. Alistar #1 Support now. Pretty sure he was #1 support prior to this. Only Soraka could rival him imoimo. Was never sold on Janna, Mellisan just made her look gud. Going to see a lot more Ali bans in tournaments now. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:05 NeoIllusions wrote: Er, let me reiterate then. Boring to spectate. Not so bad to play. Ah, boring to spectate makes more sense ^^ But from gameplay perspective, I can't help but feel that it was the better way. I remember when I started playing, I got bussed to bot lane so much and always ended up being underfarmed, was a really scarring experience. On August 25 2011 03:06 Skipper240 wrote: So how are you guys planning to skill / open with Soraka now? I'm guessing I'll be going with W - E - E - Q then E > W / Q situationaly. Or maybe just E for big harass early and open with Faerie + 2 Wards + 3 HP / 1 Mana? Without W, early game trading will be pretty weird though. She still seems to be pretty viable either way. Time to replace those ArP runes with MPen ones! Soraka's heal got a base value buff. When you calculate how much the new one heals versus the old one with just a death cap, the new one is just 30ish hp behind in value. That's assuming you don't have any other AP. If you do, the discrepancy might even go up to 50 or something! The new heal actually heals for more without AP now, so perhaps stacking CDR from the get go skilling the old way would come out to be the best solution? Dunno, you have to try for yourself. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23461 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:20 Southlight wrote: No, Janna #1 support, if you're actually capable of playing support. Un. Touched. I rofl'd when I realized this. Janna pretty ridiculous outside of the laning vs carry diving bruisers, but if there's no clear cut ulti I'm not so convinced. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:20 Slayer91 wrote: Dunno what you guys are talking about with roam alistar, alistar basically got no nerfs for laning except his tower diving power. He still has insane laning and insane healing with his 20 mana AoE heal. Alistar #1 Support now. I've never viewed Alistar as a support, more like a tanky disabler with a heal... kinda like Taric is now an AP nuker with a heal. I'd liken Alistar more to uh.. Centaur Chieftain from DotA. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I lol'd at the AS buff. The attack to reduce CD is just silly. Does Riot want him to push the lane? >_> | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23461 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:28 NeoIllusions wrote: Oh gawd, Taric. He went from really terribad late game to no late game. Poor fabulous guy. I lol'd at the AS buff. The attack to reduce CD is just silly. Does Riot want him to push the lane? >_> Just last hit the creeps to reduce your cooldown. I'm sure no one would mind >_> On August 25 2011 03:28 Slayer91 wrote: I have no idea about dota but it seems to me he's one of the best laners, one of the best carry protectors (janna is better sometimes, but alistar can help you focus the carry diver), and can also initiate a teamfight without dying as a SUPPORT. Centaur's ultimate gives him ungodly amounts of hit points. He also has an AOE stun and a single target nuke, but instead of heal he has a damage return aura. He can blink in, stun their whole team, or stun/nuke the guy that's diving your carry, or whatever, and he's pretty hard to kill. | ||
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