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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 24 2011 17:03 GMT
#201
On August 25 2011 01:59 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 01:57 clickrush wrote:
On August 25 2011 00:58 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jsyc6/wetdream_comments_on_why_he_left_sk/

Wetdream left SK, read if you want to hear a lot of bitching.



http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=367973

this thread also gives you the other side of the story. WD is apparently being accused for hacking and making up stuff.

He also lied about himself leaving SK. He actually got kicked from the team.


Wait a second. Wetdream.. hacking? WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE.


Yeah the thread mentions that he hacked in broodwar as well. This guy seems to be quite a douche. Did you look at the one picture where he ordered someone to "hack some people"? *shivers*
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 24 2011 17:03 GMT
#202
On August 25 2011 01:58 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, you build him AP? I thought he was a straight AD/AS build.

Hm. I can kind of see WC with big AP being good, but he still doesn't seem to have an advantage over any other AP carry in the game. I don't see why to pick him over Ryze or Annie any day. The stun is nice, but 1v1 if you miss a single Gold you're kinda fucked.

Ninja edit: Not sure if mana's a huge problem with AP TF, if you're spamming WC. Pick up mana potions or just pull a Blue every so often?


AP is the primary way to build TF. Like everyone has been saying, the biggest weakness for an AD TF is his incredibly short attack range (not to mention is innately low base move speed). With AP TF, he gets himself into the range required to land a GC then bursts with WC. Low CD of WC means you have a few chances to throw them in a team fight.
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 24 2011 17:13 GMT
#203
On August 25 2011 01:58 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, you build him AP? I thought he was a straight AD/AS build.

Hm. I can kind of see WC with big AP being good, but he still doesn't seem to have an advantage over any other AP carry in the game. I don't see why to pick him over Ryze or Annie any day. The stun is nice, but 1v1 if you miss a single Gold you're kinda fucked.

Ninja edit: Not sure if mana's a huge problem with AP TF, if you're spamming WC. Pick up mana potions or just pull a Blue every so often?


I'm just gonna say it. He's god awful as AD/AS against anyone who knows what they're doing. He's basically in Melee range in order to auto attack (I don't think his attack outranges a single stun or hard CC) so you have to commit to anything and everything. You sacrifice one of his abilities almost completely (Wild Cards turns into a BV popper instead of a potent nuke) and a single mistep once you've engaged leaves you dead.

He does basically nothing better then any other AD/AS carry out there.

It is important to note that he's unlike annie/brand when playing AP in the sense that his goal isn't to just roflstomp someone in .5 seconds with his combo once he gets all of his abilities, but he can wear someone down from range without effecting his farm at all (and he can clear waves pretty quick with red card and wild cards)
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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
August 24 2011 17:19 GMT
#204
On August 25 2011 01:59 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 01:57 clickrush wrote:
On August 25 2011 00:58 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jsyc6/wetdream_comments_on_why_he_left_sk/

Wetdream left SK, read if you want to hear a lot of bitching.



http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=367973

this thread also gives you the other side of the story. WD is apparently being accused for hacking and making up stuff.

He also lied about himself leaving SK. He actually got kicked from the team.


Wait a second. Wetdream.. hacking? WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE.


How the fuck do you hack in League of Legends? Isn't most of the stuff server side?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
August 24 2011 17:20 GMT
#205
Big fan of AP tf, he's got one of the better pokes in the game so long as you can hit your wild cards. The only downside to TF is the fact his ult is most of the time worthless, people can dodge wild cards and pick a card is hilariously cruel style of putting your gold card option at the worst time when you need it.

He's okay, but I wouldn't play him if I had the option of a more, reliable ap type. Though he's fun for laughs.
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
August 24 2011 17:22 GMT
#206
I think he hacks another players account. And then queues around the same time as Wetdream. If they are in the same team - he will probably dodge. Otherwise just troll insanely hard.

I assume this is how it goes down. lol.

Wetdream was/is God awful though.
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HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
August 24 2011 17:24 GMT
#207
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1138130
"10:04 PDT Due to some unforeseen issues the patch will be delayed roughly 2 hours. Expected release is now 13:00 PDT, this is subject to change. We apologize for the delay."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 17:28:08
August 24 2011 17:26 GMT
#208
On August 25 2011 02:19 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 01:59 Niton wrote:
On August 25 2011 01:57 clickrush wrote:
On August 25 2011 00:58 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jsyc6/wetdream_comments_on_why_he_left_sk/

Wetdream left SK, read if you want to hear a lot of bitching.



http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=367973

this thread also gives you the other side of the story. WD is apparently being accused for hacking and making up stuff.

He also lied about himself leaving SK. He actually got kicked from the team.


Wait a second. Wetdream.. hacking? WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE.


How the fuck do you hack in League of Legends? Isn't most of the stuff server side?


Wetdream was known in the German community back in the StarCraft1 days. He hacked back then.

Edit: for reference, news post on GosuGamers when WetDream was caught hacking on iCCup.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 24 2011 17:26 GMT
#209
Well, so much for me playing LoL today. Was hoping to get online before 4 EST, but thats not going to happen now.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 24 2011 17:28 GMT
#210
so...he has a 50/50 chance to end up with the hacked account on his team/on the enemy team.

real good method to gain elo. LOL.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 24 2011 17:28 GMT
#211
There could be a few more things in your memory you could access than the client shows you: your HP5, CDR, the stats you can view for your own character but not for enemies, probably runes/masteries...
You could hack the client to display hard to spot things in a more obvious way, like say Irelia's passive buff which can be used to spot enemies in brushes.

You should not be able to maphack though. Unless you kinda trick the server into sending additional data without detecting inconsistencies. Since LoL's coding doesn't seem to be impeccable, this might still be possible.

Actually, stuff like Irelia's and Fiddle's passive, as well as some other things suggest that you actually do get character information for enemies who are near you but hidden in a brush... So you could possibly unveil those...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 17:34:48
August 24 2011 17:30 GMT
#212
Just stop it right here.

Wetdream never hacked in LoL. You can't hack the game with how Riot sets up the game. Any reference to Wetdream maphacking was back during his SC1 days.

Edit: As for hacking accounts and NoS drama. That isn't hacking either. That's NoS tricking really gullible people into clicking on links that installed a keylogger onto their hard drive.
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mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
August 24 2011 17:33 GMT
#213
Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback.

Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 24 2011 17:34 GMT
#214
On August 25 2011 02:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: As for hacking accounts and NoS drama. That isn't hacking either. That's NoS tricking really gullible people into click on links that installed a keylogger onto their hard drive.


It's not hacking. It is, however, a dick move.
Whatevs
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
August 24 2011 17:34 GMT
#215
Aside from that patch is pretty good ...
j/k server is down.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 24 2011 17:36 GMT
#216
On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:
Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback.

Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid


Thank lordy... I can only hope.

AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring...
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 24 2011 17:37 GMT
#217
great, now after 3 hrs downtime my EU games dont start, so i am exactly where i was 3 hrs ago.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 17:41:44
August 24 2011 17:40 GMT
#218
On August 24 2011 22:22 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 21:36 zalz wrote:
On August 24 2011 21:27 spinesheath wrote:
On August 24 2011 20:35 phyvo wrote:
RIP Nidalee

They nerfed her healing which is her only good laning skill before ulti so now she can't lane for beans vs any of the popular sustain bruisers.

Pounce was also straight up nerfed until you get 25% CDR... so you more or less need to hog blue buff to have pounce where it was before or to have hope of having mana for your heal.

To give you an idea, buying DR+WOTA and throwing max range max skill spears at level 9 is now just as mana efficient (2.1 hp/mana) for healing as buying DR+NLR + BW and healing yourself with max E (also 2.1). The heal does scale better for healing but at least with WotA you can also heal yourself for free with cougar form...

(also if you only put one level in E then, surprise surprise, with DR+WOTA your healing efficiency is again at 2.1 hp/mana)

All the other high sustain champs are getting nerfed too. So what if Nidalee doesn't have a godmode laning phase? Those new Spears and the recent buff(bugfix) to Traps make her really strong mid/lategame.


Noone of that matters.

You can still go top, you can still punish without end and you can still never be ganked.

Nidalee just goes top and push till the inhib is down, and she can still do that. Perhaps even better now that the leap is going to be subject to CD reduction.

One of the most impactful plays by Hotshot at Gamescom was him standing behind the wall at the enemy inner bottom tower and spamming spears for massive damage. This does matter.
Reducing the Armor + MRes of an enemy by 40% also is MASSIVE. That's the stuff that makes tanks melt.


eh game was pretty much already over by than

On August 25 2011 02:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Just stop it right here.

Wetdream never hacked in LoL. You can't hack the game with how Riot sets up the game. Any reference to Wetdream maphacking was back during his SC1 days.

Edit: As for hacking accounts and NoS drama. That isn't hacking either. That's NoS tricking really gullible people into clicking on links that installed a keylogger onto their hard drive.


eh? stealing someone's account with a keylogger isn't hacking?

I'm not saying it's sophisticated but I don't see the distinction between hacking and what nos does.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 24 2011 17:44 GMT
#219
My normal game last night, during champion selection I wait on what everybody picks and choose Singed since the team was squishy. This one guys says:

"Singed? I hope you know that Singed is really fucking bad."

He promptly queue dodged. What a hilarious moment.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 24 2011 17:45 GMT
#220
On August 25 2011 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:
Finally got around to reading the patch notes and quite a few big nerfs :o Don't know what I think of the Kayle changes yet but in a typical hybrid build that's around a hundred extra damage on to her Q. I forgot how well her E scales but with the 10% and shred I'm sure it hurts. Kayle/Janna lane might make a comeback.

Don't know if the sona/soraka/taric nerfs needed to be that drastic but it does bring them in line with other supports to make more choices applicable. I only felt soraka and taric were a little above the rest and needed toning down. Changes will at least make bot lane more interesting and allow for melee bot lanes to be played consistently. People might have to start putting their AD's back to mid


Thank lordy... I can only hope.

AD/Support bot meta is quite possibly the most boring...


More like stacking another bruiser into your comp and screw the AD Carry!
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