EPTI guess you could always just make 2 runepages and then pick one based on champ selection ^.^
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I guess you could always just make 2 runepages and then pick one based on champ selection ^.^ | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:50 Ecael wrote: Jatt doesn't consistently build wriggles, he seems to lean more toward wit's end as the main dps item. Wriggles gets built but not consistently. Haven't really tried phoenix for a while, but the old rwrer then q=w>e probably still works, can even go the super aggressive version of r>q=w leaving e at 3. Jatt specifically said he avoids building it. On August 12 2011 09:06 Juicyfruit wrote: So basically: phoenix - easier time clearing small camps, pushes open lanes very fast, more AoE damage in fights. Tiger - more DPS to towers, more DPS vs buffs, much stronger single-target damage. What you go for should depend entirely on what you think you'd need to win the game. Phoenix gives bonus AP/AD as part of the stance. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:16 Craton wrote: Jatt specifically said he avoids building it. Phoenix gives bonus AP/AD as part of the stance. Yeah, but it still can't come even close to Tiger's dmg vs turrets or singletargets, so I'm not sure why you're pointing this out as he never said anything to the contrary. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
pheonix is more fun because you go CAWCAWCAW and kill things, maybe thats just because im so tired of tiger from 100+ games with it. Level 3 in bear stance would be the the way to go but the problem is there's no point to use pheonix stance lategame when level 5 tiger is just better if you have any damage items at all. 4 Stances is just too much to juggle through anyway. 3 is bad enough. Pheonix effective AD is not that bad if you consider the third strike bonus as attack damage, but it's only if you attack a target for a long time. Vayne's don't usually get more than 2-3 procs of their silver bolts. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
With that in mind I don't feel like my burst damage on gank is significantly weaker by picking phoenix. Only if they flash would I switch to bear stance for my first hit. This is provided I actually have space to run behind them. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Your turtle stance and Phoenix stance should both be improved significantly because you'd have over 150 AP and over 200AP with the Phoenix bonus, you'd also AoE spell vamp constantly with Phoenix and along with that and the turtle spam(with a 400 hp shield) along with the rest of your build being tanky could help keep you alive while dealing decent damage. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:55 Shikyo wrote: So, would it be a decent idea to try solo top Phoenix Udyr going Gunblade/Rageblade -> tank build? Your turtle stance and Phoenix stance should both be improved significantly because you'd have over 150 AP and over 200AP with the Phoenix bonus, you'd also AoE spell vamp constantly with Phoenix and along with that and the turtle spam(with a 400 hp shield) along with the rest of your build being tanky could help keep you alive while dealing decent damage. Psssh I've been playing gunblade Udyr for months, you're way behind the times | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:26 Juicyfruit wrote: When I gank with udyr I'll usually run at them with my 3rd phoenix proc ready to go (same idea as ganking with master yi's passive up almost always if I have a choice). With that in mind I don't feel like my burst damage on gank is significantly weaker by picking phoenix. Only if they flash would I switch to bear stance for my first hit. This is provided I actually have space to run behind them. Expecting to be able to gank without using bear's MS buff to gap-close is pretty ambitious. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:26 Juicyfruit wrote: When I gank with udyr I'll usually run at them with my 3rd phoenix proc ready to go (same idea as ganking with master yi's passive up almost always if I have a choice). With that in mind I don't feel like my burst damage on gank is significantly weaker by picking phoenix. Only if they flash would I switch to bear stance for my first hit. This is provided I actually have space to run behind them. Oh if you can do that, a double tiger does more dmg. And you can do it with bear. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:55 Shikyo wrote: So, would it be a decent idea to try solo top Phoenix Udyr going Gunblade/Rageblade -> tank build? Your turtle stance and Phoenix stance should both be improved significantly because you'd have over 150 AP and over 200AP with the Phoenix bonus, you'd also AoE spell vamp constantly with Phoenix and along with that and the turtle spam(with a 400 hp shield) along with the rest of your build being tanky could help keep you alive while dealing decent damage. shikyo what is your nut over gunblade? do you know something I don't? Serious question, I view this item as pretty much garbage on everyone but jax but you see hidden qualities in it and I want to understand what they are. Who else do you build it on? On August 12 2011 08:42 TheYango wrote: You should still buy Wriggle's on Phoenix Udyr. rather buy wits end every time | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:17 UniversalSnip wrote: shikyo what is your nut over gunblade? do you know something I don't? Serious question, I view this item as pretty much garbage on everyone but jax but you see hidden qualities in it and I want to understand what they are. Who else do you build it on? rather buy wits end every time Gunblade is a really good item. The stats it gives are powerful; the AD and AP is pretty nice and the amount of lifesteal and spell vamp it gives is also insane. Not to mention the 700 range slow active is really great for anyone who doesn't have god tier gap closers. That said, I dont really build it all that often and pretty much only on Jax and Morde and Akali 'cause it's expensive as fuck and is more of a luxury item on 99% of the champs in the game and while strong, isnt' strong enough to be core. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:17 UniversalSnip wrote: rather buy wits end every time They're not mutually exclusive. In fact, both TheOddOne and Jatt get Wit's on Phoenix Udyr but neither rush it, because it's impractical. What item are you starting with that's a Wit's End part? How are you getting to bluepill with Recurve money on your first few clears without some luck in getting good ganks? Wriggle's and its parts keep your early game money spent and pay back in the improved jungle speed/sustainability. It's not comparable to or replaceable by Wit's End in any way. Wriggle's isn't competing with Wit's End. It's competing with Philo->Shurelyas, which also builds in incremental parts that one can buy during early jungle clears, and also gives you similar benefits to Wriggles in increased sustainability and gold generation, but not the speed and dragon control of Wriggle's. It's a tradeoff between early game jungle speed/control vs. lategame utility, which is not a clear-cut tradeoff, and depends on matchups, team composition, and the jungler's playstyle. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:17 UniversalSnip wrote: shikyo what is your nut over gunblade? do you know something I don't? Serious question, I view this item as pretty much garbage on everyone but jax but you see hidden qualities in it and I want to understand what they are. Who else do you build it on? rather buy wits end every time Gunblade gives unmatched lane sustain and one of the best slows in the game, one that's very difficult to match even for an actual skill on a champion, definitely the best item active. 600 range is awesome and for catching up vs a running person, it actually is nearly as good as a Flash, only on a 60 second cooldown. Then of course we'll add the extremely cost-efficient stats even without the lifesteal components and we have an amazing item. I just build it on Mordekaiser, Katarina, Jax, Tryndamere, Akali and Lee Sin right now, but I'm constantly experimenting. edit: ok im sure I forgot someone | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
someone said Malph before, dunno | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
 my world is thrown upside down..all this time having good laughs over shikyo's posts and hes agreeing with my analysis of gunblade..I don't know what to do! | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:49 Shikyo wrote: Gunblade gives unmatched lane sustain and one of the best slows in the game, one that's very difficult to match even for an actual skill on a champion, definitely the best item active. 600 range is awesome and for catching up vs a running person, it actually is nearly as good as a Flash, only on a 60 second cooldown. Then of course we'll add the extremely cost-efficient stats even without the lifesteal components and we have an amazing item. I just build it on Mordekaiser, Katarina, Jax, Tryndamere, Akali and Lee Sin right now, but I'm constantly experimenting. edit: ok im sure I forgot someone I'm pretty sure it's 700 range for the active. I remember reading the tooltip and being absolutely astonished at its range. | ||
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