Math time!
3,3k for both items
Hourglass recipie:
Chainmail 700
NLR 1600
2,3k+1k in combo cost
=
+20 AP +5 ARM +Stasis passive
so you are paying 400 for the AP, 77,8 for the armour (considering optimal price efficency)
and 522,5 for the passive.

Deathcap recipie:
Blasting wand: 860
NLR: 1600
2 460+840 in combo cost
=
+35AP +passive (30%AP) which with only this item gives:46,5
total of: 1630 in AP value (O.o) +ofc all the AP you get a bonus from natural and other items.

hm.... let me check the data: HOLY MOTHER OF ALL AP! it is almost twice as cost efficent as NLR
NLR = 80ap = 1600 =20g/ap
DC = 81,5ap =840 = 10,3g/ap

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 02 2011 04:50 GMT

#424

No reason not to get both, especially since they both look super strong. Grab needless> determine if you need survivability or can go glass cannon> get the other one.

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

January 02 2011 04:53 GMT

#425

a+ also for not putting mana on them. That makes them acceptable for non-mana ap users (Which cant buy things like rod of ages)

oberon

United States1320 Posts

January 02 2011 05:27 GMT

#426

Interesting new caster items. The zhonya separation opens a lot up. You can do merc treads/void staff/deathcap for pure lategame damage, or rylai's/hourglass/abyssal for off-tank caster. Of course sorc boots/haunting guise early-game/anti-squishy still survives.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 02 2011 05:35 GMT

#427

another random thought, the defensive zhonyas may make swain actually decent. Still a lot of ap, but now with some armor and the passive.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

January 02 2011 06:56 GMT

#428

A lot of people who are used to grabbing Zhonya's quickly are going to rush Deathcap and be confused when they keep dying because they can no longer abuse the active.

Seriously, I can't wait to see all the people playing Kennen and Morgana rush Deathcap and wonder where their invulnerability went.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

January 02 2011 08:30 GMT

#429

The champions who rush zhonya's do it for the active in teamfights + the AP. Rushing the hourglass would be the change they'd do. They wouldn't rush the deathcap. In fact, the hourglass is even BETTER for such champions, because it even gives armor too.

puckstop101

Canada132 Posts

January 02 2011 08:42 GMT

#430

don't know about anyone else, but the exhust changes scare me a bit, without any data to back this up, i almost feel like its not at all useful anymore, the whole purpose of exhust was for the blind, to counter the autoattack tyrda, or yi. Kinda scared those champs could rape without exhust

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 02 2011 09:15 GMT

#431

I'm totally fucking rushing deathcap on Chogath because wtf do you need the active for on Cho

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

January 02 2011 09:52 GMT

#432

On January 02 2011 17:42 puckstop101 wrote:
don't know about anyone else, but the exhust changes scare me a bit, without any data to back this up, i almost feel like its not at all useful anymore, the whole purpose of exhust was for the blind, to counter the autoattack tyrda, or yi. Kinda scared those champs could rape without exhust

If I understood correctly, it still will reduce the damage significantly. Probably enough that you can just ignore Trynd's attacks as Veigar.

Odds

Canada1188 Posts

January 02 2011 11:27 GMT

#433

deathcap -> veigar, lux the new OP

-Kato-

Spain1146 Posts

January 02 2011 11:53 GMT

#434

New exhaust useless vs ww with BRs?

starfries

Canada3508 Posts

January 02 2011 12:53 GMT

#435

I really like the ward change... no more one-shotting even with carries. I wonder if they kept the lower duration though.

and wow Deathcap... for people who need gratuitous amounts of AP

emucxg

Finland4559 Posts

January 02 2011 13:52 GMT

#436

Anivia the new OP champion

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

January 02 2011 14:09 GMT

#437

wow 30% ap.
time to use my full ap/lvl page! O_O

cascades

Singapore6122 Posts

January 02 2011 15:53 GMT

#438

It's only 5% difference from 25% though. What changed was gay cost efficency + not payng for yellowness. However, yay for armor + ap item.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

January 02 2011 17:37 GMT

#439

On January 03 2011 00:53 cascades wrote:
It's only 5% difference from 25% though. What changed was gay cost efficency + not payng for yellowness. However, yay for armor + ap item.

Yeah thats my point, it's an incredibly efficient ap item by itself, and then it also has 30% !