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On June 21 2011 10:37 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage. Yea, the rest of her kit is pretty damn strong as well, but I doubt Vayne will ever be in a good place the way Riot's balancing her. The problem with Vayne from what I hear is that the members of the Design Team do not agree with what makes her OP. There is an argument for each part of her kit being OP in their own right. At the same time though, Riot wants to maintain that feeling of being some badass hunter person who chases down low hp people and they can't run away from you. And still be a carry of some sort. Hard to do. Some more things I have recently overheard. No ETA, but some of these might be next patch: - Morgana autoattack animation to become better and easier to use and animation cancel
- Malz E to have less mana refund.
- Veigar rework in progress along with small changes to Trynd.
- Kayle rework mostly done; currently in testing on Riot internal servers
- Philo to give less HP/5 regen, mana regen likely staying the same
Morgana aa animation not until she's reworked I think.
Veigar rework coming out with Nasus? Hadn't heard anything about Tyrnd though.
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I thought they were going to rework Tyrnd's ult
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TBH morg doesnt need a better attack animation. I'll take it, but I dont need it. W super good for farming.
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On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame.
No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game.
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On June 21 2011 15:14 GranDim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame. No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game.
I think some people are overstating the ward change. I mean, really, how often did people carry around wards on kat so they could jump over walls? -.-
For Lee Sin it's a little bigger of a change as Lee Sin tends to jungle and/or get a wriggles so the ward was more readily available.
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On June 21 2011 15:16 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 15:14 GranDim wrote:On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame. No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game. I think some people are overstating the ward change. I mean, really, how often did people carry around wards on kat so they could jump over walls? -.- For Lee Sin it's a little bigger of a change as Lee Sin tends to jungle and/or get a wriggles so the ward was more readily available.
Good Kats do. Riot is removing things that seperate good players from really good players. Real don't like this patch.
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I actually like the fact that riot seems to be more carefull with nerfs, like not overnerfing as much as they used to do.
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On June 21 2011 15:16 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 15:14 GranDim wrote:On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame. No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game. I think some people are overstating the ward change. I mean, really, how often did people carry around wards on kat so they could jump over walls? -.- For Lee Sin it's a little bigger of a change as Lee Sin tends to jungle and/or get a wriggles so the ward was more readily available.
people carry wards around all the time. dyrus buys wriggles on lane jax because the ward gives him an escape. seen some really cool moves with it actually =[
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You usually carry a ward anyway in a real team game since the whole team helps in warding the map. So saying it's "not as readily available" is false since you should have one on you regardless. ;o
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On June 21 2011 10:37 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage. Yea, the rest of her kit is pretty damn strong as well, but I doubt Vayne will ever be in a good place the way Riot's balancing her. The problem with Vayne from what I hear is that the members of the Design Team do not agree with what makes her OP. There is an argument for each part of her kit being OP in their own right. At the same time though, Riot wants to maintain that feeling of being some badass hunter person who chases down low hp people and they can't run away from you. And still be a carry of some sort. Hard to do. Some more things I have recently overheard. No ETA, but some of these might be next patch: - Morgana autoattack animation to become better and easier to use and animation cancel
- Malz E to have less mana refund.
- Veigar rework in progress along with small changes to Trynd.
- Kayle rework mostly done; currently in testing on Riot internal servers
- Philo to give less HP/5 regen, mana regen likely staying the same
Hey are you sure its ok for you to be posting this stuff? I really appreciate it, but i remember some guy who posted a skin that wasn't out yet, and got like removed from the patch testing team or w/e.
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I mean, yea, most players will always carry at least one ward 'cause everyone should be warding whenever they have 75 gold and an empty item slot. But I feel that for non-wriggles champs, that ward is more often than not going to be placed for actual warding than for that possible escape.
It does change gameplay, no doubt about it, but I feel that the nerf is not that game breaking.
@OwnedNoob: If I'm correct, MoonBear isn't on Riot staff. He's just very up-to-date on stuff Riot has said and is a super sleuth. Sherlock Holmes incarnated imo.
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On June 21 2011 16:14 Owned Noob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:37 MoonBear wrote:On June 21 2011 10:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage. Yea, the rest of her kit is pretty damn strong as well, but I doubt Vayne will ever be in a good place the way Riot's balancing her. The problem with Vayne from what I hear is that the members of the Design Team do not agree with what makes her OP. There is an argument for each part of her kit being OP in their own right. At the same time though, Riot wants to maintain that feeling of being some badass hunter person who chases down low hp people and they can't run away from you. And still be a carry of some sort. Hard to do. Some more things I have recently overheard. No ETA, but some of these might be next patch: - Morgana autoattack animation to become better and easier to use and animation cancel
- Malz E to have less mana refund.
- Veigar rework in progress along with small changes to Trynd.
- Kayle rework mostly done; currently in testing on Riot internal servers
- Philo to give less HP/5 regen, mana regen likely staying the same
Hey are you sure its ok for you to be posting this stuff? I really appreciate it, but i remember some guy who posted a skin that wasn't out yet, and got like removed from the patch testing team or w/e.
If you're talking about Phrost, I'm pretty sure he died.
Something about it being too cold outside? Or am I telling the wrong story?
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On June 21 2011 15:21 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 15:16 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 21 2011 15:14 GranDim wrote:On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame. No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game. I think some people are overstating the ward change. I mean, really, how often did people carry around wards on kat so they could jump over walls? -.- For Lee Sin it's a little bigger of a change as Lee Sin tends to jungle and/or get a wriggles so the ward was more readily available. Good Kats do. Riot is removing things that seperate good players from really good players. Real don't like this patch.
No it seperated the players that research unintuitive special cases from the ones that "just" play. If champs like Kat or Lee Sin were supposed to be able to jump over walls it´d be in their kit, not a weird unintuitive special case rule with an item that has nothing to do with the mechanic. I mean really: Ward gives vision and allows walljumping? Also sometimes blocking skillshots.
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I don't think "unintuitive" is a legitimate argument. There is always going to be a learning curve to the game and no matter how "intuitive" everything is it's not going to go away. Sure, new players won't know that you can jump to wards, but it's not gamebreaking and you'll remember it after the first time you see it.
Besides, it's a logical extension of the jumping mechanic - being able to jump to game objects + wards are game objects = you can jump to wards. It's arguably unintuitive not to be able to jump to a ward.
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yup.. Not being able to jump onto wards will be pretty sad. :-[
It made so many :O, :S and :D moments.
They try to make game fun.. and that mechanic was definitely fun + it wasn't unfun for enemies [at least in comparison to other mechanics they are removing or other mechanics that are completely acceptable to stay in game].
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"Withering curse cleansed from Kayle: her performance on the Fields of Justice expected to improve."
KAYLE BUFF INCOMING
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On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage.
well, everyone only has X seconds to live vs vayne, no matter the amount of defence/Hp etc.
Right now people play her full ad because its more op, so this isnt much of a problem, but this can change and the genereal idea behind it is very questionable.
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On June 21 2011 19:00 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage. well, everyone only has X seconds to live vs vayne, no matter the amount of defence/Hp etc. Right now people play her full ad because its more op, so this isnt much of a problem, but this can change and the genereal idea behind it is very questionable.
New build:
Warmogs + SotD Vayne
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Fuck SotD, just get 4 recurve bows.
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On June 21 2011 15:16 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 15:14 GranDim wrote:On June 21 2011 09:01 Tooplark wrote:
and kat can't shunpo, and... a really absurd number of escapes are gone. Lame. No longer being able to reliably jump over walls is going to really, really, hurt kat's game. I think some people are overstating the ward change. I mean, really, how often did people carry around wards on kat so they could jump over walls? -.- For Lee Sin it's a little bigger of a change as Lee Sin tends to jungle and/or get a wriggles so the ward was more readily available.
Every great kat I know has at one point carried 3 wards and escaped after diving 5 champs and a base for a double kill.
On June 21 2011 17:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 16:14 Owned Noob wrote:On June 21 2011 10:37 MoonBear wrote:On June 21 2011 10:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 21 2011 10:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
% based true damage, while stupid, wasn't even the most broken thing about Vayne. It's not exactly easy to get 3 consecutive hits in on the same target in a team fight, but that didn't stop her from doing outrageous damage. Yea, the rest of her kit is pretty damn strong as well, but I doubt Vayne will ever be in a good place the way Riot's balancing her. The problem with Vayne from what I hear is that the members of the Design Team do not agree with what makes her OP. There is an argument for each part of her kit being OP in their own right. At the same time though, Riot wants to maintain that feeling of being some badass hunter person who chases down low hp people and they can't run away from you. And still be a carry of some sort. Hard to do. Some more things I have recently overheard. No ETA, but some of these might be next patch: - Morgana autoattack animation to become better and easier to use and animation cancel
- Malz E to have less mana refund.
- Veigar rework in progress along with small changes to Trynd.
- Kayle rework mostly done; currently in testing on Riot internal servers
- Philo to give less HP/5 regen, mana regen likely staying the same
Hey are you sure its ok for you to be posting this stuff? I really appreciate it, but i remember some guy who posted a skin that wasn't out yet, and got like removed from the patch testing team or w/e. If you're talking about Phrost, I'm pretty sure he died. Something about it being too cold outside? Or am I telling the wrong story?
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