EPTSome random add from someone watching EU chat with popcorn:
Seems it includes random people trolling and pulling the "lol i dont care anyway cuz its normal"-card. Just shrug it off and don't play with those people if that's not your thing.
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
Some random add from someone watching EU chat with popcorn: Seems it includes random people trolling and pulling the "lol i dont care anyway cuz its normal"-card. Just shrug it off and don't play with those people if that's not your thing. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 28 2011 01:30 Mogwai wrote: I'd love to help you but I don't play at a level where there is such a thing as a 1v2 lane. I would just Q last hit under my own tower and rush philo + hog to compensate for the denied CS. Never had a game where the Taric or Alistar refuses to leave the top brush for the first 10 minutes? That's about as close to a 1v2 as it can be. Although typically you got the same thing mirrored at bottom, obviously, and maybe you switch the supports around every 2 minutes... | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On June 28 2011 01:47 Shikyo wrote: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/29176514/replay_27-06-11_19-11-26.lrf Here's a link to a 4man premade game with some EU LiquidParty people that I just played. I'd like especially Mogwai and Southlight to take a look at the game and the chat and tell me what they think. wow irelia got so fed O_O that daivernon guy is a faggot | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:19 spinesheath wrote: Never had a game where the Taric or Alistar refuses to leave the top brush for the first 10 minutes? That's about as close to a 1v2 as it can be. Although typically you got the same thing mirrored at bottom, obviously, and maybe you switch the supports around every 2 minutes... yea, I dunno, it just feels... different when it's a roamer being a prick. In cases like that, I just ward my in lane brush and the brush by the river and play passively when they're trying to dick me over. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On June 28 2011 01:42 zalz wrote: Winning 1v2 reliably is pretty diffcult. If there was a champ that could beat 1v2 every time everyone would want it. First up you should just hang around your tower right off the bat. Regardless of what they do they will want to score some last-hits and with 2 people lasthitting that creep wave will always get pushed your way. After that it's a matter of control. Try and keep the lane just outside of tower range but close enough that any gank means they will be taking tower shots. In the end it can be somewhat of a gamble. Depending on the other 2 it could be a serious pain. You should play it safe, get some minion kills but no need to be diving all the way to the back end of the lane when you know they are gonna take off like 50% of your hp for it. Keep the minion wave under control and just outside of tower range and ask for your jungler to gank. If you control the minion wave well then the other 2 will constantly be forced to hang to far forward and this will make them an easy gank for the jungler. Thanks for the advice, but I think this advice maybe relies on people who understand the game like we do, while the people I play against don't. Most people at my level just auto attack minions non stop, creating these huge waves under my turrets. With a top level team the jungler would just gank at level 2, but it's difficult to coordinate with random people from liquidparty and solo queue. If it's so difficult to win a 1v2 lane, why don't people run the top lane with 2 people more often? If you know the other team is running a really squishy carry and is gambling on good cs in the top lane, then maybe you can shut it down by bringing your jungler up to pressure the lane and even push the creep waves? I think it was just that one lane versus kogmaw and mundo that is causing me to discuss this, since mundo could just eat four tower shots and ultimate back to full health and kogmaw has infinite range so I got eaten alive under the tower.... Thanks again. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:41 HyperionDreamer wrote: Thanks for the advice, but I think this advice maybe relies on people who understand the game like we do, while the people I play against don't. Most people at my level just auto attack minions non stop, creating these huge waves under my turrets. With a top level team the jungler would just gank at level 2, but it's difficult to coordinate with random people from liquidparty and solo queue. If it's so difficult to win a 1v2 lane, why don't people run the top lane with 2 people more often? If you know the other team is running a really squishy carry and is gambling on good cs in the top lane, then maybe you can shut it down by bringing your jungler up to pressure the lane and even push the creep waves? I think it was just that one lane versus kogmaw and mundo that is causing me to discuss this, since mundo could just eat four tower shots and ultimate back to full health and kogmaw has infinite range so I got eaten alive under the tower.... Thanks again. I figure it's kind of because it's a bit like cheesing in Starcraft 2. Easy to gain wins on the lower levels but you will quikly find yourself outmatched against better opponents. But i do agree that on lower levels of play double top might very well be superior especially certain setups that are good at diving towers. On the other half people tend to get stuck in their same-old mentalities a lot with this game. Everyone demands a jungler but few really put thought into what a jungler means or what a jungler does. A lot of junglers just farm the jungle and think that's what they are supposed to do. It's the same reason that Evelyn was considered absolute trash when in reality she was an insanely op champion. Everyone said she was shit, therefore everyone accepted that she was shit. Then one day someone writes a guide for running jungle AD Eve with a revive and smite and suddenly Riot has to rush to nerf the shit out of her. It's a lot of monkey see monkey do in this game. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
There's 3 types of people who you will encounter when 1v2ing: 1) Most popular type - the "we push hard" type, they will push as much as they can and play very aggressively, vs them you want to take as many last hits under the tower as you can and never let them send you to town at early levels because they will destroy your tower very fast. 2) The "1 of us gets the farm and you don't" type - 1 guy camps your bush, the other guy last hits as late as possible, you will lose a lot of xp that way but once the lane pushes (it will, because 1 of them IS last hitting) if you don't last hit or only last hit under the tower - you will get as much XP as a duo laner would get (so basically you are at the same lvl as 1 of them), then lane will reset and once again you will spend some time hugging a tower and waiting for the lane to push 3) the "we will keep you lvl 1 forever" type - they just won't last hit. Ever. Lane will forever freeze and as the outcome you will be lvl 1 with 0 farm forever, they will have 2 people with duo lane lvls and 0 farm. You can't do anything vs these, have to wait for a gank (which probably won't work because you won't be able to help the ganker at all, since you are lvl 1). On the bright side - your jungler will be stronger than any of these 2 (he had a farm) so the overall outcome is 1 vastly underlevelled guy with 0 farm + someone normally farmed/lvled vs 2 normally lvlled but unfarmed guys. At least that's what i've experienced when playing. Vs the 1) you need something that's good at stopping pushes, vs 2) you need something durable with a method of replenishing HP. Nasus is good vs both, Nidalee, Mundo and (as he gets to higher lvls) vlad is good vs 2), Mord is good vs 1) (and by good i mean gets double kill at lvl 6 if your enemies don't change their strategy, because they are almost surely bad) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On June 28 2011 01:47 Shikyo wrote: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/29176514/replay_27-06-11_19-11-26.lrf Here's a link to a 4man premade game with some EU LiquidParty people that I just played. I'd like especially Mogwai and Southlight to take a look at the game and the chat and tell me what they think. 1: You, Daivernon, and HD are all ragers. Without me there to tell everyone to shut the fuck up (and use reasoning...) it's already a recipe for disaster. LOL 2: HD Can be really dumb. Because I go top a lot as garen, sometimes 1v2 (you can double kill bads with a gank lol) he decides he goes top because he wants solo and will have trouble vs brand. Obviously Garen shouldn't be top. Having a melee top isn't a good idea when they have an abc mundo zoning him constantly. Garen/janna+ashe mid + akali top would be better, but of course EU meta lolz. 3: "The jungler should always camp bot when there is a 1v2 lane top". Really? The bot lane can easily ward the lane and they can easily play defensive because top lane is getting totally denied of XP. In my opinion: (somebody can contribute I'm not the most experienced jungle vs no jungle player) 1: The jungler should rush level 4 and gank top ASAP while they are both level 2 or 3, and the 1v2 is hopefully not that denied and hasn't died yet. Just don't do stupid 2v2 tower dives like they did in that game 2: The jungler should hump mid lane if its any bit overextended, or gank bot if they are overextending naturally but it's not the main priority. 3: The jungler should coordinate ganks with THE MID LANER (especially if you forced the opposing mid to back with a gank) on top lane to end the constant xp zoning of the top laner. If you haven't noticed an underleveled garen at low hp with creeps pushing his lane and a gangplank can't easily beat a mundo and an irelia. Even if you didn't gank mid sucessfully you can easily take some tower damage to force the top lane back or score a double kill. It's easy as hell to gank becaues to deny they have to overextend, and even if they ward they still have to stop zoning for a while, also you can just pink ward it since 1v2 is only strong if they are actively zoning garen to the tower. and on to the MAIN POINT about the flaming: Shayuki: "btw in a 1v2 situation the jungler should stay bot lane" Shayuki: learn to jungle. Seriously? Way to be a fucking asshole. You made a perfectly valid statement whether it is right or its wrong it's definitely a strategy of abusing the no jungler. Especially if the MID LANE coordinates a 4v2 tower dive gank. Then you go on and make an offensive statement as if you are some super pro jungler even though you only ever play solos and complain when you managed to get a positive KDA and junglers/duos didn't. Even if you were, randomly flaming people for no reason makes no sense if you don't want to just turn the game into a ragefest like you did. Like, this is the shit that identifies people as an angry antisocial nerd. If you said shit like this is real life you'd probably get your ass kicked. It's just simple fucking manners. You do this shit all the time. Not only should you not expect random 1400 elo people to play perfectly but you shouldn't fucking flame them when they don't in some random normals where people are dicking around. I know people are harsh when they flame you and say they shouldn't invite you but it's a valid fucking statement if you act like an elitist prick when people are just trying to have fun. I mean I'm not perfect and I sometimes get a bit pissed off too but unless it's really childish I generally won't overly flame people if they're doing something they shouldn't and I definitely don't do it FIVE MINUTES AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE. Honestly, if you want them to hump bot all day tell them to hump bot all day. Don't wait until midgame and then say LEARN TO JUNGLE NOOB. I guess I'm sorry for the wall of text but I feel like you need somebody to explain why everyone treats you like you're the biggest asshole ever when you clearly don't see you're doing anything wrong. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:13 Southlight wrote: People who bitch about junglers should jungle themselves. Simple fact. People who bitch about junglers cant jungle. They dont know how. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:11 Slayer91 wrote: Everyone knows he's like that, why would you even invite him in the first place? Are you a glutton for punishment?1: You, Daivernon, and HD are all ragers. Without me there to tell everyone to shut the fuck up (and use reasoning...) it's already a recipe for disaster. LOL 2: HD Can be really dumb. Because I go top a lot as garen, sometimes 1v2 (you can double kill bads with a gank lol) he decides he goes top because he wants solo and will have trouble vs brand. Obviously Garen shouldn't be top. Having a melee top isn't a good idea when they have an abc mundo zoning him constantly. Garen/janna+ashe mid + akali top would be better, but of course EU meta lolz. 3: "The jungler should always camp bot when there is a 1v2 lane top". Really? The bot lane can easily ward the lane and they can easily play defensive because top lane is getting totally denied of XP. In my opinion: (somebody can contribute I'm not the most experienced jungle vs no jungle player) 1: The jungler should rush level 4 and gank top ASAP while they are both level 2 or 3, and the 1v2 is hopefully not that denied and hasn't died yet. Just don't do stupid 2v2 tower dives like they did in that game 2: The jungler should hump mid lane if its any bit overextended, or gank bot if they are overextending naturally but it's not the main priority. 3: The jungler should coordinate ganks with THE MID LANER (especially if you forced the opposing mid to back with a gank) on top lane to end the constant xp zoning of the top laner. If you haven't noticed an underleveled garen at low hp with creeps pushing his lane and a gangplank can't easily beat a mundo and an irelia. Even if you didn't gank mid sucessfully you can easily take some tower damage to force the top lane back or score a double kill. It's easy as hell to gank becaues to deny they have to overextend, and even if they ward they still have to stop zoning for a while, also you can just pink ward it since 1v2 is only strong if they are actively zoning garen to the tower. and on to the MAIN POINT about the flaming: Shayuki: "btw in a 1v2 situation the jungler should stay bot lane" Shayuki: learn to jungle. Seriously? Way to be a fucking asshole. You made a perfectly valid statement whether it is right or its wrong it's definitely a strategy of abusing the no jungler. Especially if the MID LANE coordinates a 4v2 tower dive gank. Then you go on and make an offensive statement as if you are some super pro jungler even though you only ever play solos and complain when you managed to get a positive KDA and junglers/duos didn't. Even if you were, randomly flaming people for no reason makes no sense if you don't want to just turn the game into a ragefest like you did. Like, this is the shit that identifies people as an angry antisocial nerd. If you said shit like this is real life you'd probably get your ass kicked. It's just simple fucking manners. You do this shit all the time. Not only should you not expect random 1400 elo people to play perfectly but you shouldn't fucking flame them when they don't in some random normals where people are dicking around. I know people are harsh when they flame you and say they shouldn't invite you but it's a valid fucking statement if you act like an elitist prick when people are just trying to have fun. I mean I'm not perfect and I sometimes get a bit pissed off too but unless it's really childish I generally won't overly flame people if they're doing something they shouldn't and I definitely don't do it FIVE MINUTES AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE. Honestly, if you want them to hump bot all day tell them to hump bot all day. Don't wait until midgame and then say LEARN TO JUNGLE NOOB. I guess I'm sorry for the wall of text but I feel like you need somebody to explain why everyone treats you like you're the biggest asshole ever when you clearly don't see you're doing anything wrong. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
In hindsight I acknowledge it was a huge mistake, a blunder, something that cannot be forgiven. Since the game i'm trying to learn to jungle. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:21 Two_DoWn wrote: People who bitch about junglers cant jungle. They dont know how. Hahah, most of my jungle bitching tends to be sighing @ not getting ganks (we have a joke where if I'm solo top there's no solo top gank ever) and sighing about hero choice at jungle, otherwise I tend to clam up because I'll bitch more BEING the jungler :D | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:41 HazMat wrote: Shikyo, your plays are very.... questionable. You should work on your own skills before QQ'ing on this forum/raging at your teammates. It's about the attitude. But whatever don't understand. By the way, in infinite loop right now. get in queue -> half ppl are disced and someone queue dodges -> get instantly in new game -> repeat. Can't even cancel queue. Also I do have aspergers, and why do you think I think I never do anything wrong? That's why I gave the replay, to hear what I do wrong. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:41 Southlight wrote: Hahah, most of my jungle bitching tends to be sighing @ not getting ganks (we have a joke where if I'm solo top there's no solo top gank ever) and sighing about hero choice at jungle, otherwise I tend to clam up because I'll bitch more BEING the jungler :D I play a lot of jungle, and trust me, if you arent getting a gank somewhere, its probably because a) you arent open for one, b) the other lanes are doing worse than you are. Unless the jungle does actually suck, in which case all bets are off. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
Pettiness is good. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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