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On June 24 2011 06:13 Unentschieden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 05:20 gtrsrs wrote:On June 24 2011 04:36 BlueBird. wrote:
really? I heard it was 4v4 a ton, I guess my entire post is mute then, I prefer 5v5, with 4v4 option in customs, sorry. The game needs to have an established team size for competitive events, and needs to stick with it. Why do you want it to be 4v4? I'm really curious, since you seem to actually play tournaments, what do pros think?
i heard it was 4v4 frequently too and i was really excited then it got confirmed 5v5 and i posted here how disappointed i was and everyone was like "lolwat it's always been 5v5 they were never considering 4v4" and i was confused i would prefer a 4v4 map with longer lanes and more passageways from jungles to lanes because as the jungler for my team, i understand the futility of ganks on SR. they just rarely happen successfully. longer lanes means ganks are more likely to happen as for 4v4 compared to 5v5 it's just hard to get 5 people on all the time and i like mixing it up. i like 3s and i would like 4s too Absolutely nothing is confirmed. There is a concept art of some neutrals and a overall map. It has 3 lanes though as far as I could tell and last time they talked about it it had more jungle, was bigger and had one way teleports towards the front (so you don´t spend all the time walking despite a bigger map).
It is confirmed to be a 5v5. Riot has said they hate balancing for different numbers.
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On June 24 2011 06:24 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 06:13 Unentschieden wrote:On June 24 2011 05:20 gtrsrs wrote:On June 24 2011 04:36 BlueBird. wrote:
really? I heard it was 4v4 a ton, I guess my entire post is mute then, I prefer 5v5, with 4v4 option in customs, sorry. The game needs to have an established team size for competitive events, and needs to stick with it. Why do you want it to be 4v4? I'm really curious, since you seem to actually play tournaments, what do pros think?
i heard it was 4v4 frequently too and i was really excited then it got confirmed 5v5 and i posted here how disappointed i was and everyone was like "lolwat it's always been 5v5 they were never considering 4v4" and i was confused i would prefer a 4v4 map with longer lanes and more passageways from jungles to lanes because as the jungler for my team, i understand the futility of ganks on SR. they just rarely happen successfully. longer lanes means ganks are more likely to happen as for 4v4 compared to 5v5 it's just hard to get 5 people on all the time and i like mixing it up. i like 3s and i would like 4s too Absolutely nothing is confirmed. There is a concept art of some neutrals and a overall map. It has 3 lanes though as far as I could tell and last time they talked about it it had more jungle, was bigger and had one way teleports towards the front (so you don´t spend all the time walking despite a bigger map). It is confirmed to be a 5v5. Riot has said they hate balancing for different numbers.
Could you link the source? I apparently missed that.
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On June 24 2011 06:26 Unentschieden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 06:24 Two_DoWn wrote:On June 24 2011 06:13 Unentschieden wrote:On June 24 2011 05:20 gtrsrs wrote:On June 24 2011 04:36 BlueBird. wrote:
really? I heard it was 4v4 a ton, I guess my entire post is mute then, I prefer 5v5, with 4v4 option in customs, sorry. The game needs to have an established team size for competitive events, and needs to stick with it. Why do you want it to be 4v4? I'm really curious, since you seem to actually play tournaments, what do pros think?
i heard it was 4v4 frequently too and i was really excited then it got confirmed 5v5 and i posted here how disappointed i was and everyone was like "lolwat it's always been 5v5 they were never considering 4v4" and i was confused i would prefer a 4v4 map with longer lanes and more passageways from jungles to lanes because as the jungler for my team, i understand the futility of ganks on SR. they just rarely happen successfully. longer lanes means ganks are more likely to happen as for 4v4 compared to 5v5 it's just hard to get 5 people on all the time and i like mixing it up. i like 3s and i would like 4s too Absolutely nothing is confirmed. There is a concept art of some neutrals and a overall map. It has 3 lanes though as far as I could tell and last time they talked about it it had more jungle, was bigger and had one way teleports towards the front (so you don´t spend all the time walking despite a bigger map). It is confirmed to be a 5v5. Riot has said they hate balancing for different numbers. Could you link the source? I apparently missed that.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/09/17/new-league-of-legends-magma-chamber-map/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/14/new-assets-surface-for-lols-magma-chamber-map/
Riot was giving previews (of layouts not much else) to gaming press back in 2010.
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On June 24 2011 06:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:
why is there another 100 mb patch?
Apparently for the replay mode coming soon (tm)
And I don't really get the new map, I mean summoners rift is fine and proven, why a new map? Just look at how little TT get's played, also it's harder to balance and that's the last thing LoL needs right now. Summoners Rift could use some new graphic sets tho, the ones we have right now are getting old.
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I think the hope is that another actual 5v5 map will free up players and tournaments to change it up and play different styles and strategies while at the same time not messing with overall game balance. The reason TT is so fucked up is because it 3v3. That completely messes with teamfights and which champs can be killed and which cannot. Late game it wont matter where you play: 5v5s will be the same, have the same outcome, and have the same advantages. But it will let different types of play early on and could be fairly interesting.
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And then you split the community up in two parts, the people who play SR and the people who play the new map? I mean especially when were talking about LoL as an E-sport title I don't see the point in the new map, they should rather spend effort on refining SR. Also unless they completly don't care about balance on Magma chamber, it's probably going to affect SR.
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It shouldnt affect balance at all. Since its 5v5, it wont change teamfights. And it isnt like top level play revolves around ganks and unbalanced fights atm, so having isolated lanes doesnt really make all that much of a difference.
As for esports, all you have to do his make tournaments play both matches, provided that magma is decently well made.
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i don't think a new map will split the community
either the new map will be bad and everyone will stick with SR
or the new map will be good and everyone will move to MC
i'm hoping for the latter because honestly SR isn't a great map
but i was looking over those links and it doesn't look like MC in that incarnation would be great either. 2 barons? buffs in the middle of the lane where creeps meet? gag me
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The fact that it has the same number of players, makes it so you can search one que, and it will give you either or map. I believe that SR/MC will have the same que and the same "elo". I'm expecting that Riot will try to get the community to play on BOTH maps. I'm really hoping it works out this way, if the new map is horrible, then hopefully it's changed quickly. I'm all for new maps though.
The way TT works, you search one que, or the other que, you obviously can't get TT if you have 5 people, so they can't have the same que.
I would personally like an entire new que for solo/double que, where you could get TT, SR, or Magma Chamber, to really mix it up.
Woony, I think the question is, will we see more 5v5 maps in the future, and soon enough? Will we be like SC2, where he have 8-9 maps in the pool, and each team can veto a map, etc.. or will we be like Dota etc, where we just have one map, and that's it for e-sports.
I prefer having a variety of maps, all being one set number of players. So far 5v5, has been successful, and I think they should stick to that.
In a perfect world, I'd love a map editor, and to get some really cool 8v8 maps or even bigger, and even a small single lane map, where it's 2v2, 1v1 in lane, 1v1 in jungle. I can see the casual players and the community loving that stuff. It might not be balanced, but I would like to play some customs and stuff on some huge maps. Can you imagine every champion in the game, in one game :D?
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On June 24 2011 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think a new map will split the community
either the new map will be bad and everyone will stick with SR
or the new map will be good and everyone will move to MC
i'm hoping for the latter because honestly SR isn't a great map
but i was looking over those links and it doesn't look like MC in that incarnation would be great either. 2 barons? buffs in the middle of the lane where creeps meet? gag me
That's... um, really bad.
Is there any comment from Riot on why they designed it that way? The two barons actually irritates the me the most, since it removes the positioning element from late game. They're doing baron? No problem, lets just do ours too.....
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On June 24 2011 07:49 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think a new map will split the community
either the new map will be bad and everyone will stick with SR
or the new map will be good and everyone will move to MC
i'm hoping for the latter because honestly SR isn't a great map
but i was looking over those links and it doesn't look like MC in that incarnation would be great either. 2 barons? buffs in the middle of the lane where creeps meet? gag me That's... um, really bad. Is there any comment from Riot on why they designed it that way? The two barons actually irritates the me the most, since it removes the positioning element from late game. They're doing baron? No problem, lets just do ours too.....
imo its the opposite... instead of one position to control, you have to control both. i don't understand how having two instead of one important location makes the game have less positioning. its like saying allmid games have positioning, but regular games with all 3 lanes reduce it....
having buffs in the middle of lanes concentrates the importance of those locations as well, giving you something to fight over, instead of this i have my buffs and you have your buffs thing in SR. in theory if should generate fights anyways, remains to be seen if the theory works out. no harm trying really, no maps have ever deviated signifigantly from DotA, and i highly doubt DotA map is optimal.
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I seriously find it sad how Riot is handling the EU server fiasco. No information from Riot and only Ymir trying keep the EU forums in some kind of check. Sigh.
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On June 24 2011 08:23 KOPF wrote:
I seriously find it sad how Riot is handling the EU server fiasco. No information from Riot and only Ymir trying keep the EU forums in some kind of check. Sigh.
Ymir gave me 3 trynd codes because I couldn't bring my food into the dreamarena at DH.
he is now offically awesome and I am easily bribed
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And i got none of those 3 codes. Real vlani
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On June 24 2011 08:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
And i got none of those 3 codes. Real vlani
Who was the mastermind that got both the Singed and the Trynd skin simply by making strangers do his dirty deeds? That's right I did! You should have come to me, but now it's to late ; (
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needs more code sharing :3
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On June 24 2011 09:08 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
And i got none of those 3 codes. Real vlani Who was the mastermind that got both the Singed and the Trynd skin simply by making strangers do his dirty deeds? That's right I did! You should have come to me, but now it's to late ; (
No spare Riot Singed codes anywhere? I've heard you can use the codes once on NA and once on EU, so if there's an EU-usable code I'd like one. :3 (The use-twice thing might have been fixed, idk)
Also, to the EU people, Tryndamere has spoken about the severe problems on EU. Long story short, 550 RP Compensation and all Leaves from June 1st are removed because the server has had very bad uptime. More here.
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The Riot Singed codes I got only works on EU. But the Tryndamere skins works on both, to bad I have 1 tryndamere skin left for NA and I am saving that for something.
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550rp? is that a joke? I was expecting at least 1000... Sigh, I guess it's better than nothing
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