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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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TL Blazeraid
566 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:47 spinesheath wrote: By the way, a levelup is worth around 500 gold excluding HP and Mana regen, taking Ashe as an example. There is a reason why I keep saying that even the most item dependant carries need experience. If you compare a midlane Ashe to a bottom lane Ashe with equal farm during midgame you are typically looking at a 1000 gold difference. While true, you're neglecting to calculate the difference of farmed ashe bot + level dependent carry mid vs ashe mid(one point in skills in most champs is better than one point in skills on ashe) | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Sae
United Kingdom74 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:37 Brees wrote: at least try and be subtle about hurrhurr EU #1 americans fat ? I'd rather play on the US server if I didn't have RP invested on EU already, I wasn't trying to say that Americans are worse or anything but it's true, they tend to label champions as bad before they even completely explore their possibilities. Perhaps it's because EU teams scrim so often that they get to try seemingly retarded things in a decent environment and sometimes get surprising results. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:37 BlackPaladin wrote: EU setup is tank top, AP carry mid, AD carry bot with support. Meaning if you do calculate it you're calculating the difference between a tank with lvls vs an AD carry with lvls, and the AD carry just needs them more. Tanks don't need much farm to become tanky but AD carries need a lot of farm + lvls to be able to do sufficient damage to all. The difference in that scenario is that the AD carry gets a lot more from the levels than the tank otherwise would. I thought they switched tank top to melee dps or tanky ap top? They used to literally have tanks top, now i see stuff like irelia, jarman, rumble, vlad, swain top (just like it used to be on the US, except US didn't have carrysupport bot) way more often | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
IMO tanks are a completely outdated idea in LoL. Why would I ever take a tank when I can have a tanky dps with a gap closer? | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=196414&d=1308329591 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yeahhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote: Thats because tanks are pretty much unnecessary. Jarman or Irelia is just as hard to kill, but does a shit ton more damage. IMO tanks are a completely outdated idea in LoL. Why would I ever take a tank when I can have a tanky dps with a gap closer? Will be interesting to see if tank top gets more traction post Dreamhack patch if Jarman/Irelia/Nunu/Amumu all get disemboweled and you don't have the option of imba tanky deeps top or tank jungle. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:40 Kaniol wrote: I thought they switched tank top to melee dps or tanky ap top? They used to literally have tanks top, now i see stuff like irelia, jarman, rumble, vlad, swain top (just like it used to be on the US, except US didn't have carrysupport bot) way more often Tanky DPS sounds like it's a hybrid, a bit of 50/50, half tanky, half dps. Truth is that stuff like Irelia, Jarvan and Rumble are just stomping everyone in the face dealing equall damage to DPSers whilst being as beefy as tanks. In the case of Jarvan and Irelia their harassment is actually better then a lot of DPS champs. Tanky DPS is just tanks that can dish out DPS damage. The whole problem becomes twice as bad when it's tanky-dps vs DPS. Champs like Jarvan mitigate a lot of damage because they got good defensive stats. The DPS champion won't have those defensive stats so even when both champions deal a 100 damage it's the DPS that ends up taking more since he mitigates less. The tanky-dps end up taking less damage then a DPS whilst dishing out more damage against a dps in 1v1. Jarvan especially is at a point where he pretty much wins ever top lane he goes to unless faced with a similar champ, and even then Jarvan is one of the best. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:37 BlackPaladin wrote: EU setup is tank top, AP carry mid, AD carry bot with support. Meaning if you do calculate it you're calculating the difference between a tank with lvls vs an AD carry with lvls, and the AD carry just needs them more. Tanks don't need much farm to become tanky but AD carries need a lot of farm + lvls to be able to do sufficient damage to all. The difference in that scenario is that the AD carry gets a lot more from the levels than the tank otherwise would. Tanks are now champions like irelia, jarvan, rumble etc. These all DO need levels since all tanky dps need both damage and tank items so they need insane farm and also need levels for hp, damage, also more stats on their burst abilities. Pure tanks are only really in the jungle right now. Amumu and rammus. Don't see any malphite or shen any more. | ||
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GranDim
Canada1214 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:45 WirelessWaffle wrote: Commando Lux with dual flame thrower wand http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=196414&d=1308329591 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yeahhhhhhhhhhh The high heels, the high heels. Also, burning down an entire lane with the ult. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i think malphite has a great kit for anti-tankydps too, i'm not sure why he's not played more. well actually i do know why he's not played more. he's hard to get farm on in a duo lane, his solo lane power has been severely reduced, and his jungling is mediocre. but just a tiny buff on him in any of those places will put him back on the map IMO shen is poopoo now. RIP my favorite champion and first-ever skin. he's just so fragile for the relatively small damage he outputs. since they totally fucked his lane presence they should at least give him back his shield on stand united and up the shield damage on his ally since it gets broken by like 1 auto attack now. also maokai and galio are in great spots right now. still not sure why they're not abused. there's like no roles they can't fill. great tank, great tanky AP, great support, maokai is a great roamer. so yeah basically what i'm saying is i think the game will move away from tanky dps soon. there just needs to be some really minor balance changes that will push people back into playing *real* tanks as primary tanks again. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
stupid riot ruining all my champs | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I just dont see the point of playing a true tank anymore. If you want a single target peel, why use rammus when you can use jarman? Or singed? Or maokai? If you want to lock down an enemy carry, why use malphite when you can have irelia or jarman or ww? Amumu is the only decent true tank anymore, and thats only because his ultimate is the best ulti in the game atm. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On June 18 2011 07:41 Two_DoWn wrote: Rammus cant jungle well though. Jungle changes hit him way to hard. not really | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 18 2011 07:41 Two_DoWn wrote: Rammus cant jungle well though. Jungle changes hit him way to hard. I just dont see the point of playing a true tank anymore. If you want a single target peel, why use rammus when you can use jarman? Or singed? Or maokai? If you want to lock down an enemy carry, why use malphite when you can have irelia or jarman or ww? Amumu is the only decent true tank anymore, and thats only because his ultimate is the best ulti in the game atm. Sorry but I think it's kind of silly to say Amu's good because of his ulti when Malphites is nearly as good and the combo with his ground slam is awesome effective CC. I really think he's way underused. Maybe people need to start building Tiamats. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
so if your ganks fail you end up underleveled/underfarmed as a tank which is one of the worst things in the game | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
The game started out with my team saying jokes in all chat and the enemy team responding. As the game went underway, things were looking bad for the other team and their MF started to bitch and harass her own team and tried to join us cool kids in all chat. I proceeded to start mocking and insulting her as well as much of my team for about 30 minutes and then we finally killed the two towers at the enemy Nexus and suicided into the summoner platform getting a 5 man execution and with us suiciding the team trying to race to the Nexus. Yeah, we lost but my God did we have fun. We were a bit drunk which makes it sound more exciting than it seems but hey, we git 7+ reports on that MF and we had so much fun. The other team deserved that win for putting up with that MF but she also got the victory DX. White knighting ftw! | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
I was jungle and asked for a leash at blue. Astronaut Teemo says "I'll leash" "Because us astronauts know the value of a good leash" "Because without it we would just go floating into space" Laughed so hard, truly made my LoL experience better with the dissapointing state of LoL atm. | ||
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