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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 07 2011 23:50 GMT
#16641
lasthitting on morgana = facepalm
that's probably the main reason why i take lux over her every day cuz i don't want to deal with her fucking attack animation l0l
and probably why i picked up nidalee for a while. that attack animation = <3
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 07 2011 23:50 GMT
#16642
Biggest thing is positioning yourself for your animation. Knowing how long it will take to get an attack off is key. Swain has the hardest animation for that imo.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
June 07 2011 23:53 GMT
#16643
On June 08 2011 08:21 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Is there a good method to tighten up my early-game/pre-item last hitting? I've run practice games with no bots and stuff like that but I find that a lot of the time I am just barely missing some last hits; and by some I mean sometimes I "barely miss" an entire wave's worth of CS. Repeatedly. I can't quite feel out that sweet spot between "1 more hit from a minion then I kill" and "minions already killed it," I guess.
Do you guys left click on individual minions to track their HP? I've thought about doing that but I don't think I can split my attention well enough to do that while watching minimap/not walking straight into enemy tower.

I mean I can just play Janna and stack philos (what I end up doing most of the time huehue) or AoE spam creep waves down later on, but I am pretty sure that isn't a long-term solution.


How many total games have you played? Eventually you'll just get a feel for things.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 07 2011 23:54 GMT
#16644
jarman attack animation IMBA
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 00:02:19
June 07 2011 23:58 GMT
#16645
yah ofc I have healthbars on otherwise this would be even worse. I understand the basic theory (watch how fast lifebars go down, hit minion when it will kill) but I find that I'm missing it by like 1-2 minion hits pretty often.

dunno my CSing isn't the absolute worst but I was just wondering if there's a method other than intuition/feel/just knowing/etc. to use while I develop a better feel for it. In the end I still need to grind it more anyways.

dnastyx:
urm around ~350ish normals? Not a ton of games played and certainly not a ton of games played where it matters if I last hit or not :V
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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 00:01:48
June 07 2011 23:59 GMT
#16646
Lasthitting is pretty much a learned, mechanical skill that requires little decision-making once you get good at it, and you simply get better over time if you focus on it. Opening with Offensive Mastery (extra damage to creeps) and dorans blade will give you a bigger lasthit window to practice with. Champions also have different base damage and attack animations that require getting used to.

My favorite champions for lasthitting are Corki and Kayle, because their attack animations are so smooth and quick. It's kind of a waste since they just blow through waves with spells once they get some mana regen.

On the other hand, starting with cloth + 5 pots on (utility spec) kog'maw is still a nightmare for me, and one of the main reasons I don't play him more often.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 00:23:53
June 08 2011 00:23 GMT
#16647
On June 08 2011 08:50 unichan wrote:
lasthitting on morgana = facepalm
that's probably the main reason why i take lux over her every day cuz i don't want to deal with her fucking attack animation l0l
and probably why i picked up nidalee for a while. that attack animation = <3


Pool all day! A lot of AP casters aren't great for last hitting, as low base damage and poor animation are pretty sucky, but it's okay as you quickly get to the point where you end up mainly last hitting with spells with a lot of champs.

On June 08 2011 08:59 Flakes wrote:
Lasthitting is pretty much a learned, mechanical skill that requires little decision-making once you get good at it, and you simply get better over time if you focus on it. Opening with Offensive Mastery (extra damage to creeps) and dorans blade will give you a bigger lasthit window to practice with. Champions also have different base damage and attack animations that require getting used to.

My favorite champions for lasthitting are Corki and Kayle, because their attack animations are so smooth and quick. It's kind of a waste since they just blow through waves with spells once they get some mana regen.

On the other hand, starting with cloth + 5 pots on (utility spec) kog'maw is still a nightmare for me, and one of the main reasons I don't play him more often.


You shouldn't be trying to open with offensive mastery unless it's actually good on that champion (and it's not that good on that many champs), it's just bad practice.

As for last hitting in general, tbh if you are missing it by 1-2 hits a lot of the time you need to practice more. I dare say it's not particularly hard to last hit in LoL, especially if you've played Dota or HoN. Just practice more I guess, maybe wait longer if you do it always too early? :p Also, if you're having that much trouble I guess it would be better starting off practicing with champions that have decent base damage and build damage items on that, as last hitting is pretty easy on these champs. So like ranged carries or melee dps.

Another important thing to bear in mind is that you should be using champions' skills to last hit. Champs like malz, vlad, corki, morg and the list goes on and on end up getting most of their cs from their skills. You should be doing this too, as it's so much easier and gives you much better cs.

Asdkmoga
Profile Joined May 2010
United States496 Posts
June 08 2011 00:34 GMT
#16648
On June 08 2011 08:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Biggest thing is positioning yourself for your animation. Knowing how long it will take to get an attack off is key. Swain has the hardest animation for that imo.

i've had the most problem with blitz, or atleast trying to hit and run the other direction, always miss even after the animation if you pull back to quick


unrelated note. ive decided my team doesn't benefit at all from what champion i pick in ranked and the only way to go is 100% Teemo picking from hence on
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action and over 600 is clearly the work of an ancient Sumerian demon or some shit."
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 01:23:31
June 08 2011 00:42 GMT
#16649
How to get good at last hitting:
Go to practice game. Be alone, practice last hitting until every time, you can get all creeps perfectly with one champion. If you can't do that in the real game, you need more practice.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
June 08 2011 01:11 GMT
#16650
a tip that helped me on last hitting is focus on your ranged caster minions
those piece of imba are the main dps and generally the minion targetted by casters is the next one to die and the one you should focus on
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 08 2011 01:11 GMT
#16651
On June 08 2011 08:50 unichan wrote:
lasthitting on morgana = facepalm
that's probably the main reason why i take lux over her every day cuz i don't want to deal with her fucking attack animation l0l
and probably why i picked up nidalee for a while. that attack animation = <3


You wanta know the sad thing? Morganna's attack animation has been increased in speed by like 350% from its initial implementation and increased range by like 250
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 01:22:27
June 08 2011 01:19 GMT
#16652
On June 08 2011 08:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Biggest thing is positioning yourself for your animation. Knowing how long it will take to get an attack off is key. Swain has the hardest animation for that imo.

Ooh, well theres an excuse I can use for shit CS.


On June 08 2011 07:12 Yuis wrote:
...regardless if you love Jaedong's muta micro from broodwar, IdrA's endless rage, InControl's constant dominance as a player...


I sense a Photoshop job incoming for someone...

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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
June 08 2011 03:03 GMT
#16653
zzzzzzz fu loco [image loading]
cool beans
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 04:58:49
June 08 2011 03:10 GMT
#16654
loco is bad man
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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 08 2011 03:23 GMT
#16655
On June 08 2011 12:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 12:03 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
zzzzzzz fu loco [image loading]


Your account is whored by a lot of players now, not just loco. Real smurf gangbang.

ggnyx

bad image so much blue..
You can't milk those!
Stealthpenguin
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland393 Posts
June 08 2011 05:09 GMT
#16656
On June 08 2011 07:16 Dead9 wrote:
Thanks for the fast replies!
I can't seem to install this colorblind healthbars though; I'm pretty sure I don't have a heropak_client.zip.
I really can't tell the difference between allies and enemies
Also, is there any way to change keybinds without being in a game?



I'm guessing the colorblind healthbars you're using are from the time of the old patcher when you could still install custom skins and the like. I remember seeing some threads about this and people were asking for a workaround with the new patcher so try googling and searching official forums and pay attention to the date of the posts.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 08 2011 07:03 GMT
#16657
On June 08 2011 08:21 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Is there a good method to tighten up my early-game/pre-item last hitting? I've run practice games with no bots and stuff like that but I find that a lot of the time I am just barely missing some last hits; and by some I mean sometimes I "barely miss" an entire wave's worth of CS. Repeatedly. I can't quite feel out that sweet spot between "1 more hit from a minion then I kill" and "minions already killed it," I guess.
Do you guys left click on individual minions to track their HP? I've thought about doing that but I don't think I can split my attention well enough to do that while watching minimap/not walking straight into enemy tower.

I mean I can just play Janna and stack philos (what I end up doing most of the time huehue) or AoE spam creep waves down later on, but I am pretty sure that isn't a long-term solution.


Get some AD runes if you're missing it too often.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 07:44:02
June 08 2011 07:40 GMT
#16658
On June 08 2011 08:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Biggest thing is positioning yourself for your animation. Knowing how long it will take to get an attack off is key. Swain has the hardest animation for that imo.

I completely disagree, Swain has an amazing animation. My very first game ever playing as him I got 80 lasthits by 10 minutes and his animation made perfect sense.

Why do people say he has a bad animation? I just don't see it.

On June 08 2011 08:50 unichan wrote:
lasthitting on morgana = facepalm
that's probably the main reason why i take lux over her every day cuz i don't want to deal with her fucking attack animation l0l
and probably why i picked up nidalee for a while. that attack animation = <3

I disagree with this as well, a long time ago I used to have problems with Morgana, now I barely miss any lasthits where I can actually get in range. I really think that the only troublesome ranged animation is Annie's. I guess people haven't played enough Traxex or something.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 08 2011 07:45 GMT
#16659
Okay yeah I know they changed her animation but I didn't try it out cause I'm lazy lolol
:)
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 08 2011 07:57 GMT
#16660
On June 08 2011 16:40 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 08:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Biggest thing is positioning yourself for your animation. Knowing how long it will take to get an attack off is key. Swain has the hardest animation for that imo.

I completely disagree, Swain has an amazing animation. My very first game ever playing as him I got 80 lasthits by 10 minutes and his animation made perfect sense.

Why do people say he has a bad animation? I just don't see it.

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 08:50 unichan wrote:
lasthitting on morgana = facepalm
that's probably the main reason why i take lux over her every day cuz i don't want to deal with her fucking attack animation l0l
and probably why i picked up nidalee for a while. that attack animation = <3

I disagree with this as well, a long time ago I used to have problems with Morgana, now I barely miss any lasthits where I can actually get in range. I really think that the only troublesome ranged animation is Annie's. I guess people haven't played enough Traxex or something.


Soraka beats Annie in attack animation every day.

I usually mist a lot of last hits when there are siege minions around. They deal sometimes too much damage to handle. Missing last hits when there are only melee minions fighting each other is nigh impossible since they don't deal any damage.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
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