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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2011 15:49 GMT
#12581
Being behind 10 kills isn't that bad. What dnastyx said is pretty accurate. I usually stick around games where I wait for the enemy team to make a huge mistake where we can capitalize. I'm optimistic to a point where I look for openings where catching one noob => 4v5 => take down mid inhib or something to that extent.

But if the situation has become so bad where even if we catch one guy out of position but we'd still lose 4v5 or if we steal Baron, back safely and would still lose a team fight, the game is pretty much over and I just want a new game.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 18 2011 16:13 GMT
#12582
On April 18 2011 23:17 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 22:59 57 Corvette wrote:
On April 18 2011 22:39 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Let's talk about surrenders:

I seem to be the only one who likes surrendering hopeless games, so why do YOU vote no?

I'm curious, I want to know.


There are some situations I know are completely hopeless (everyone on our team lvl 8, every opponent lvl 12, 1-10 score) that I will surrender. Usually if they are pushing into our base and destroying the towers before the minions die,its GG. However, there was a game i played yesterday where the opponents were pretty fed earlygame (5-10 score or something similar) and pushed us all the way back to our inhibitor turret, and my teammates were put through 2 surrender votes where one of our teammates wouldn't surrender. As time went on though, we started making a comeback (it helped getting warmogs and a couple other high-tier items), and eventually pushed the opponents into their base and they surrendered.

If you are not 100% you are going to lose, then you shouldn't surrender. If they are not 3-4 levels ahead of your team and they are not pushing into your base with an unstoppable force of champions, then don't surrender.



I've won where we went 0-10 before. Because the first baron didn't go to them.


Well, going 0-10 on Summoners Rift is considerably less devastating compared to 0-10 on TT
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 18 2011 16:18 GMT
#12583
#1 command to win games. /ignore all
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
April 18 2011 17:06 GMT
#12584
On April 18 2011 22:39 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Let's talk about surrenders:

I seem to be the only one who likes surrendering hopeless games, so why do YOU vote no?

I'm curious, I want to know.

because noobs doesnt deserve a ff
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 18 2011 17:09 GMT
#12585
I rarely surrender unless i have very bad team mate with extremely low morale and feed like 10 times in the first 20 mins.
I fucking hate noobs that see a early game disadvantage and immediately cast a surrender vote and then do it over and over again. These people are annoying -_-.
Terran
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 18 2011 17:21 GMT
#12586
Something like a fed Karthus or Irelia is impossible to deal with while almost anything else is manageable. What's even more important than comp is how tryhard bad the other team is. If it's obvious they are bad then they WILL make more mistakes than you later. So basically surrender quick vs good teams, never surrender vs bad ones.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2011 18:40 GMT
#12587
Any ideas whether there will be holiday runes for easter?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 18 2011 18:42 GMT
#12588
On April 19 2011 03:40 spinesheath wrote:
Any ideas whether there will be holiday runes for easter?

Doubt it, since nearest patch is gonna be after easter
Haato
Profile Joined March 2011
Mexico81 Posts
April 18 2011 18:43 GMT
#12589
would just love a permanent reduction on t3 rune costs, was buying tier1 runes on a new account and laughing at the price ratios :/
death is easy, comedy is hard
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 18 2011 18:58 GMT
#12590
You know riot wants you to spend money on their game right?
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
April 18 2011 19:33 GMT
#12591
On April 19 2011 03:43 Haato wrote:
would just love a permanent reduction on t3 rune costs, was buying tier1 runes on a new account and laughing at the price ratios :/


Conspiracy Mode

Riot's Motto is something like 'we don't sell (direct) advantages'
This motto just happens to be a convenient bi-product of profit maxing micro transaction company.
Reasoning:
Runes are IP (useful) sinks. Rune pricing seems to be determined by obviously useful = more expensive.

The only way Riot would give a permanent reduction in T3 prices would be to introduce a T4 and revise T4 prices.

EXAMPLE: mp5/lvl Blues and Yellows or Armor yellows will probably be significantly more expensive because everyone now knows that they are extremely valuable.

I forsee in the future riot allowing RP to be purchased in any whole number $ amount.

TL;DR
RP = Gift Card
Champions = IP Sink
IP = Bait
Rune Prices = Deliberate IP sink setup
Evidence: IP per Game Adjustment and Champion Price Reduction
FADC
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 20:18:06
April 18 2011 20:14 GMT
#12592
I have not found a free game with cash transactions whose model separates power/cash as well as LoL. The grind is acceptable, the "power requirement" in games is low, and it's not based on some convoluted rare drop/proc system.

I think a big part of it is that there are enough cheap runes that are useful on many champs, and also that the 450 champs are viable in the highest tiers of play (except maybe kayle )

On surrendering: I'm inclined to vote no in ranked, but I usually wait too see if the vote hinges on me before voting no. In normals I'm inclined to vote yes, I generally consider them practice games, and unless there is a definite chance of winning I'm content to requeue and try again.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 20:53:55
April 18 2011 20:53 GMT
#12593
I remember a game last night I think actually where we were something like 6-12 and down a dragon or two, but they had a much weaker late game comp + I was fed Mundo + I was Mundo, who surrenders when he pleases + their Kennen was super noob and actually died to me in lane. A couple times.
Anyways my point is I usually don't surrender until solo pushing is impossible or they have an inhibitor down at least.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 18 2011 21:02 GMT
#12594
On April 18 2011 17:49 MyXoMoPBL wrote:
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always fun to duo with dyrus......

1/14 and still best cs in the game, too good.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2011 21:06 GMT
#12595
Cause Singed farming so hard...
zzz
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 18 2011 21:22 GMT
#12596
Hmmm i wonder if the matchmaking in EU is really broken. I duo-triple queue with my friends (my EU acc is lvl 23, they are like lvl 10 and lvl 13) and once in 2-3 games either side gets 1600-1900 Elo player. 4 people under lvl 30 and 1 high ranked Elo lvl 30 o.o
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
April 18 2011 21:26 GMT
#12597
On April 18 2011 22:39 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Let's talk about surrenders:

I seem to be the only one who likes surrendering hopeless games, so why do YOU vote no?

I'm curious, I want to know.


I usually hit yes when it seems hopeless, unless im playing with you in which i default to no even if I wasnt trolling you before.
Stealthpenguin
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland393 Posts
April 18 2011 22:12 GMT
#12598
Sometimes I vote no in unwinnable games when we have some raging dude yelling at team to vote yes.

My only problem with the rp/ip system setup is runepages, fucking runepages. 6300 ip is a shitload for just one. If I want to be able to play akali and udyr I pretty much need two pages that are only useful on those two champs.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 22:17:20
April 18 2011 22:16 GMT
#12599
one by one all the ridiculously overefficient durability items have fallen

sunfire
frozen heart
randuins
locket
banshee's
guardian
spirit visage
doran's ring
doran's blade
heart of gold

many of these weren't considered particularly good until those one step higher in the broken hierarchy were felled

what is the next evolution? I ask you gentlemen

my bet: philo stone + double doran's ring or shield

I think philo stone is secretly way overefficient
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 22:20:24
April 18 2011 22:19 GMT
#12600
Next step = aegis

Philo is fine being cost efficient because of the build routes, and its stats being shitty for team fights.
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