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dnastyx
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 19 2011 07:16 UniversalSnip wrote: one by one all the ridiculously overefficient durability items have fallen sunfire frozen heart randuins locket banshee's guardian spirit visage doran's ring doran's blade heart of gold many of these weren't considered particularly good until those one step higher in the broken hierarchy were felled what is the next evolution? I ask you gentlemen my bet: philo stone + double doran's ring or shield I think philo stone is secretly way overefficient You forgot Aegis from that list. Next should be Thornmail, so imba vs deeps | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On April 19 2011 07:16 UniversalSnip wrote: one by one all the ridiculously overefficient durability items have fallen sunfire frozen heart randuins locket banshee's guardian spirit visage doran's ring doran's blade heart of gold many of these weren't considered particularly good until those one step higher in the broken hierarchy were felled what is the next evolution? I ask you gentlemen my bet: philo stone + double doran's ring or shield I think philo stone is secretly way overefficient Philo's don't stop burst or high damage of any kind. They're good for laning, and then once teamfights start they are pretty worthless (unless you have an inventory full of them and can run in and out to take and deal damage). They aren't nearly as retarded and hog stacking in lane was on bulky champions. Philo may be over efficient, but that's because hp and mana regen suck as stats. I would be very surprised if they did a large nerf to philo stone that would make people stop wanting it (more than say a total of 5 regen nerf total). | ||
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Shikyo
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NeoIllusions
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Shikyo
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Two_DoWn
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AtTheFuneral
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Shikyo
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jtype
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Flakes
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 19 2011 08:40 Two_DoWn wrote: Or significantly less hard to kill so that people could solo it so that you had more dragon attempts and it became a much more active cat and mouse game. So basically like the way the game was several months ago, before they buffed Dragon to make sure that almost no junglers could solo it at 4 anymore? On April 19 2011 08:43 AtTheFuneral wrote: The dragon change they recently did made it less important early game so the idea was you get more gold over the course of the game if you control dragon but you get less exp from killing it as a team so it's more gold oriented so isnt change working as intended? I personally think old dragon felt more game changing than new dragon. The problem is that Dragon isn't worth enough to warrant having your entire team come to do it. The bounty is probably fine, but if all your laners have to come for you to have a chance at securing Dragon, it's not worth the effort anymore. If they want you to have to have all 5 team members to do Dragon, that's fine, but Dragon needs to be more rewarding. Trading top tower + a bunch of farm in all 3 lanes is not worth 1 Dragon. And if they don't want to up the Dragon bounty, then they should reduce the effort needed to do it. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Besides, riot is already reversing most of the changes morello brought when he first came, it isnt like drag shouldnt be the same. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 19 2011 07:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Philo's don't stop burst or high damage of any kind. They're good for laning, and then once teamfights start they are pretty worthless (unless you have an inventory full of them and can run in and out to take and deal damage). They aren't nearly as retarded and hog stacking in lane was on bulky champions. Philo may be over efficient, but that's because hp and mana regen suck as stats. I would be very surprised if they did a large nerf to philo stone that would make people stop wanting it (more than say a total of 5 regen nerf total). I'd say it's more like an overly efficient laning item that gives as much mp5 as 9 whole seals at level 18 and pays for itself. Basically, with wriggles and heart of gold being taken down a notch, philo stone really does move up the ladder a tons. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 19 2011 10:50 Juicyfruit wrote: I'd say it's more like an overly efficient laning item that gives as much mp5 as 9 whole seals at level 18 and pays for itself. Catalyst covers the "overly efficient laning item that gives a ton of mana restore" department pretty well. Doesn't pay for itself, but lots of the champs that would want it have a use for RoA or Banshee's. I think Philo fills the niche for champs that want that health/mana regen, but for which Catalyst isn't necessary or practical (off the top of my head, that includes Poppy, Lux, and most support champions that don't get levelups often enough for Cata to be practical). | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I think it would be interesting if dragon value increased as the game went on. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 19 2011 11:10 Tooplark wrote: Remember when the game was 90% decided by the level 1 dragon fight? I think it would be interesting if dragon value increased as the game went on. Or rather, if the value increased after every dragon kill(instead of time) imo smurf -> solo mid -> they have a jungler -> our top 2v1 lane goes 0-13 vs the jungler + top | ||
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Chairman Ray
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Two_DoWn
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