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United States47024 Posts
Jarman is what happens when you put nearly as much CC as Janna has on a guy that also does damage and is hard to kill.
On April 12 2011 04:06 Kaniol wrote:
1) purely damage oriented champs with almost no utility skills like yi, malzahar (he actually has suppression so he isn't THAT bad), LB (that's why i think the new champion will give a headache to RIot's balancing team - he is damage oriented, he will either have OP burst or burst comparable to casters with more utility like anivia, annie and kass)
This is exactly why I think Brand's design is just asking for trouble. His only utility is a conditional single-target skillshot stun, and the rest is all damage. The %-max HP passive I feel is going to be particularly risky to balance.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
The problem of Poppy, unlike The Unholy Trinity as I call them (Jarvan, Irelia and Renekton), is laning which limits her. The Unholy Trinity has incredible laning though, rivaled by very few select (Urgot comes to mind) but their mid and late game strenght is incredible as well. I agree with anyone who says that Jarvan needs a nerf, and imo Irelia needs a slight adjustment as well. Renekton is the most obvious champion to nerf atm.
For the other topic, why do you guys think that Jax just doesn't work? In theory, he is the perfect melee carry. Innate survivability rivaled only by very few (basically Poppy), incredible dps with his ultimate as well as decent burst with Q/W. 5 second cooldown jump helps a lot as well and his stun, while unreliable, has extremely short cooldown and big AoE.
And so I ask.
Why do other melee dps just work better?
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I think its because jax needs to wind up. Sure if you let him charge up he wrecks pretty much everything, most people dont let him that though.
Also, a ton of undodge-able CC has entered the game over time. This goes back to point 1 though.
Edit - Also, there are other champs that do what jax does better, i.e. Xin.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Don't know for sure but im pretty sure jax has very low armor/mr/hp values, he is really squishy even with his passive and any good players will focus him first because they know how he works. He is actually pretty good against tanky dps though since he doesnt die fast there...
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everytime I see Jax vs. a real tanky DPS team, he melts in roughly 0 seconds.
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is awesome32282 Posts
Poppy has shit farm though. At least that's what I got from playing her. She can turn unstoppable if you let her farm (just like a trynd or a fed olaf) but she has trouble farming to get there. On the other hand I see she deals ridic damage with like 2 items?
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Her passive constantly makes me want to shoot myself. I remember having Ghostblade, Last Whisper and Bloodthirster on Pantheon 40 minutes into a game (HSS sucks ass era of Panth) and flashing to hit a Poppy with 1 bar of HP left, TWICE, only to have the fucking bitch take less and less damage and not die, then turn around and 1 shot me with fucking devastating blow me. FUCKING, BULL, SHIT.
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On April 12 2011 05:27 Mogwai wrote:
Her passive constantly makes me want to shoot myself. I remember having Ghostblade, Last Whisper and Bloodthirster on Pantheon 40 minutes into a game (HSS sucks ass era of Panth) and flashing to hit a Poppy with 1 bar of HP left, TWICE, only to have the fucking bitch take less and less damage and not die, then turn around and 1 shot me with fucking devastating blow me. FUCKING, BULL, SHIT.
lol that's why I love her. 50 hp poppy > 1k health other champion 
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Need ignite to finish off P00py
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On April 12 2011 05:21 IntoTheWow wrote:
Poppy has shit farm though. At least that's what I got from playing her. She can turn unstoppable if you let her farm (just like a trynd or a fed olaf) but she has trouble farming to get there. On the other hand I see she deals ridic damage with like 2 items?
Well most people play her as a roamer with mobillity boots sheen and phillos stone.
Thing about poppy is that she is mad on steroids if you get fed on her. She can also be descent even if she dosnt get fed or farmed.
But really, you should just play Poppy for the sake of those games where you're fed. She is the char I enjoy the most next to AD udyr that is totally riddicolous when fed :D
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The counters to Poppy are obviously Ignite and Teemo. Also silences. OMG I HATE SILENCES.
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Jax is a boss against physical damage attackers. He's actually a lot better against ranged carries than tanky dps because a few dodged auto attacks can basically QWE a ranged carry to death.
iirc jax has pretty high mres from his ult now no?
Otherwise Jax could come back into style if more spells get low base damage because he gets absolutely wrecked by burst.
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whats the general build on poppy is it sheen ----> sorc boots ----> dfg and then lich bane if possible? I haven't played her but she seems fun
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On April 12 2011 05:13 Mogwai wrote:
everytime I see Jax vs. a real tanky DPS team, he melts in roughly 0 seconds.
This is what I see as well.
On April 12 2011 05:37 Phrost wrote:
Jax is a boss against physical damage attackers. He's actually a lot better against ranged carries than tanky dps because a few dodged auto attacks can basically QWE a ranged carry to death.
iirc jax has pretty high mres from his ult now no?
Otherwise Jax could come back into style if more spells get low base damage because he gets absolutely wrecked by burst.
His Ult has an active which provides a decent Mres boost (20/35/50 for 5/6.5/8 seconds)
On April 12 2011 05:45 AtTheFuneral wrote:
whats the general build on poppy is it sheen ----> sorc boots ----> dfg and then lich bane if possible? I haven't played her but she seems fun
I believe there is AD Poppy and AP Poppy. Someone else will have to give the full breakdowns but iirc AD is more sustained dps, tankier, and uses trifroce. AP will oneshot whoever she chooses and uses DFG, Lichbane. I could be incorrect though.
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It's mostly a base survivability issue.
The only thing different from when Jax was OP and now is current Jax has a worse passive. And his ult has an active now. His base survivability isn't enough to keep up with other champs any more.
Also, Olaf stomps on poppy pretty well, and Cho'gath can keep her away. Until she ults someone else.
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On April 12 2011 05:49 Tooplark wrote:
It's mostly a base survivability issue.
The only thing different from when Jax was OP and now is current Jax has a worse passive. And his ult has an active now. His base survivability isn't enough to keep up with other champs any more.
There was much less CC when Jax was OP. Also, couldn't you dodge things like TF's gold card then as well. But yes, the nerf to his passive hurt him a lot as well.
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Yeah that's true. Almost nothing being dodgeable any more definitely contributed.
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For Poppy you can go philo stone stack - triforce - dfg - then prob a void staff maybe
-philo stone because you cant farm and better of roaming
-triforce because, well its triforce
-dfg to one-shot with ulti
since sheen/triforce proc becomes magical with her q, mpen is good
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I think they should change the garen so that the more ASPD he has the faster he spins. Speedgaren would be a rollercoaster that way
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Hotshot just showed that renekton is real balanced imo
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