Need a passive that translates the sum of your spell vamp and extra crit damage into a shield that activates when you hit 10% health from true damage if you are poisoned. Oh wait...

On a side note, I've recently dabbling on laning strategy with Urgot and abusing the 80 MR/armor buff from his ult. So the question is if you should swap dangerous lvl 6 lanes like Annie or Malzahar the moment you hit 6 (provided you know their jungle isn't around ofc)? Is it a good idea or my mild success is simply a coincidence?

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

April 11 2011 17:59 GMT

#11983

Logically, a good time to swap would be after you hit someone with an E->Q combo and your E just ran out. You swap them to

A) waste time for your E to come off cd and

B) to actually do something to them (autoattack & pointblank Q's) during the few seconds where u can't E->Q combo someone from out of their range. This makes the best use of the armor/MR buff.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

April 11 2011 18:10 GMT

#11984

On April 12 2011 02:37 Flakes wrote:
Treeeskimo streaming, even though own3d says he's offline
http://www.own3d.tv/live/6377

Thanks! My favorite streamer (maybe right next to Bob

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

April 11 2011 18:13 GMT

#11985

On April 12 2011 02:47 Mogwai wrote:
this is retarded. let's talk about uhhhhhhhhhhh....... I dunno, something else. I'm pretty excited that it looks like they're just thinking that HoG nerfs will be enough to contain Jarman, when clearly that's not the problem with him.

They're obviously not focused on Jarman but on tanky DPS in general.

With a class action nerf like this it takes priority and Jarman has to wait in line before his appeal to the Supreme Court nets his nerf a hearing.

Sorry idk what came over me.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 11 2011 18:14 GMT

#11986

yea, I know the HoG nerf isn't entirely pointed at Jarman, I'm just saying that I think they realize he's probably a little too strong and think that that will go away with the HoG nerf.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

April 11 2011 18:16 GMT

#11987

The only way tanky dps goes away is if they reintroduce the old last whisper.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 11 2011 18:22 GMT

#11988

which is something they've been talking about iirc. But that would suck too since the tanky dps meta is actually a lot more diverse than the age of Ranged DPS dominance.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

April 11 2011 18:22 GMT

#11989

On April 12 2011 03:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
The only way tanky dps goes away is if they reintroduce the old last whisper.

Then they go back to the problem that PD, SotD, Wit's End, and Black Cleaver are just taking up space in the shop interface because of how rare that it was that people actually bought any of those items over Last Whisper for attack speed.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

April 11 2011 18:26 GMT

#11990

Oh noes. We fix a problem that everyone recognizes as having created incredible amounts of unfun gameplay and the collateral damage are a few items that already blow?

I fail to see why this is a problem.

PD will still be bought because it gives crit. Not an issue.
SotD is already crap and is only bought on a single champion (TF)
Wits is similarly crap and should never be bought.
Cleaver is and always has been a shitty item for ranged dps since it limits your ability to bounce from target to target. It would still be useful on melee assassins who want to kill a single target very fast (shaco). But it was never any good on ranged.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

April 11 2011 18:44 GMT

#11991

On April 12 2011 03:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
Oh noes. We fix a problem that everyone recognizes as having created incredible amounts of unfun gameplay and the collateral damage are a few items that already blow?

I fail to see why this is a problem.

PD will still be bought because it gives crit. Not an issue.
SotD is already crap and is only bought on a single champion (TF)
Wits is similarly crap and should never be bought.
Cleaver is and always has been a shitty item for ranged dps since it limits your ability to bounce from target to target. It would still be useful on melee assassins who want to kill a single target very fast (shaco). But it was never any good on ranged.

U crazy. Sotd and Wits hella pro.
#1 Ezreal build is Wriggles, triforce, wits, Sotd.
If you don't know, now you know.

Lanzoma

Mexico813 Posts

April 11 2011 18:45 GMT

#11992

Because we're back to square 1 and nothing changed?

I don't personally mind the tanky deeps meta, except for Jarman. I hate that guy.

starfries

Canada3508 Posts

April 11 2011 18:55 GMT

#11993

Wait is tanky DPS actually unfun gameplay? Because imo getting aced in 10 seconds by a fed ranged carry or aced in 5 seconds by 5 aoe ults is way more unfun. I actually like teamfights where you beat the hell out of each other for 20 seconds, a few people die and the rest go home tired.

Personally I think they should just make squishies less squishy so they would stop complaining that tanky DPS does too much damage to them while having no damage items.

BluzMan

Russian Federation4235 Posts

April 11 2011 18:55 GMT

#11994

Ugh am I the only one who thinks that Jarman is much more and much deeply OP than Nocturne? While Noct has his moments (crazy jungle ganks), he is very straightforward and if you somehow manage to shut down his ganking power he's not nearly impossible to contain. His damage is enormous, but he is very squishy and can't do much if he cannot make his target run. On the other hand, Jarman for some reasons boasts the most diverse kit of any champion in the game, he has like no weaknesses. Armor steroid, AS steroid, both those steroids given as an aura, 2 AoE nukes that are really easy to land with considerable range, armor reduction debuff, AoE slow, best shield ability in the game (at least in pure numbers), 10% hp nuke on attack every 6 seconds, an offensive leap that doubles as a physical damage nuke and essentially an AoE root for anyone who doesn't have Flash up, an offensive-defensive leap that knocks people up and doesn't require vision or targeting. Did I mention brush control and free TP target/vision provider that also blocks skillshots? He can farm, he can gank, he has great laning and amazing scaling. It took me several lines just to describe all of the effects on his skills. I can't see how all this can be a balanced champion and honestly I don't remember I've lost a single game with him and rarely win when he's on the opposing team.

EDIT: almost forgot his 90 health per level (rivaled by a select few champions) and MR increase per level which, coupled with Demacian Standard, makes flat penetration pointless vs him, both physical and magical. I cannot understand why say Maokai doesn't have MR scaling and Jarman does.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

April 11 2011 18:57 GMT

#11995

Black Cleaver is an amazing item if you have to focus someone down who doesn't die instantly. Like a tanky DPS going after a ranged DPS. Bam, 45 armor reduction, your WHOLE TEAM deals so much more damage to that guy.

Of course if you just let the tanky DPS chase the ranged DPS around while you do... something else... then it sucks.

Lanzoma

Mexico813 Posts

April 11 2011 19:00 GMT

#11996

Chrispy on TreeEskimo's stream.

http://www.own3d.tv/live/6377/TreeEskimo

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 11 2011 19:00 GMT

#11997

Poppy is much more and much deeply OP than Jarman. She has a bunch of bullshit moves that surprise buttsehks people and on top of that she has an ult that makes her 100% unkillable (which actually isn't that big a deal since her passive makes her 95% unkillable anyway).

Lanzoma

Mexico813 Posts

April 11 2011 19:05 GMT

#11998

Ya but I like playing Poppy so she's fine.

No bias or anything.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

April 11 2011 19:06 GMT

#11999

Dunno, i feel like Jarman's "OP" may be fixed by adjusting his numbers, however Nocturne is yet another poor creation of Riot, just like Eve, TF, Panth, etc. - the entire champion design is almost impossible to balance using Riot's balancing ideology.

Two of the most problematic types of champs to balance for Riot IMO are:
1) purely damage oriented champs with almost no utility skills like yi, malzahar (he actually has suppression so he isn't THAT bad), LB (that's why i think the new champion will give a headache to RIot's balancing team - he is damage oriented, he will either have OP burst or burst comparable to casters with more utility like anivia, annie and kass)
2) champs with non-standard surprisebuttsecks mechanics like invisibility and global teleports.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

April 11 2011 19:07 GMT

#12000

On April 12 2011 04:00 Mogwai wrote:
Poppy is much more and much deeply OP than Jarman. She has a bunch of bullshit moves that surprise buttsehks people and on top of that she has an ult that makes her 100% unkillable (which actually isn't that big a deal since her passive makes her 95% unkillable anyway).

poppy is basically leblanc like burst on renekton like cooldowns with shen like tankiness and teemo movespeed
shes unkillable after the 40 minute mark and will basically get two kills every fight guaranteed. Not to mention you literally cannot stop her for a good 8 seconds as she gibs your squishies.

also her hit box is stupid tiny