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On November 25 2010 05:45 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 23:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: God I'm so happy finally some recognition for my one true love you'll stop being happy about it when he becomes FotM and every asshole out there is playing/bannining him and you can't play him and when you do he gets hard countered by the new up-and-coming FotMs anyway and then your team just shits on you for only ending up 20 cs at 0/0 vs. fucking Malphite as Pantheon even though the matchup is 100% impossible and Malphite should literally always just kill you/force you off the lane after level 4...
lol oh smash. still bitter about it after all this time.
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Oh and by the way, inb4 locket imba. Basically nowadays you can put a locket on anyone that doesn't do a 3 dorans build and he'll automatically be top tier. See locket veigar and locket tryndamere.
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I am tempted to try locket TF.
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On November 25 2010 05:49 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 05:45 Mogwai wrote:On November 24 2010 23:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: God I'm so happy finally some recognition for my one true love you'll stop being happy about it when he becomes FotM and every asshole out there is playing/bannining him and you can't play him and when you do he gets hard countered by the new up-and-coming FotMs anyway and then your team just shits on you for only ending up 20 cs at 0/0 vs. fucking Malphite as Pantheon even though the matchup is 100% impossible and Malphite should literally always just kill you/force you off the lane after level 4... Doesn't kogmaw still auto-nullify chogath? Now that kog is at the bottom of the hardcarry tier he isn't even banned anymore, so it's really easy to counterpick and punish your chogath...
Not if they lane against each other. Cho can harass almost anyone out of lane while out csing them. Later game cho isnt that strong but his solo laning is obnoxious because of carnivore
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On November 25 2010 08:44 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 05:49 r33k wrote:On November 25 2010 05:45 Mogwai wrote:On November 24 2010 23:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: God I'm so happy finally some recognition for my one true love you'll stop being happy about it when he becomes FotM and every asshole out there is playing/bannining him and you can't play him and when you do he gets hard countered by the new up-and-coming FotMs anyway and then your team just shits on you for only ending up 20 cs at 0/0 vs. fucking Malphite as Pantheon even though the matchup is 100% impossible and Malphite should literally always just kill you/force you off the lane after level 4... Doesn't kogmaw still auto-nullify chogath? Now that kog is at the bottom of the hardcarry tier he isn't even banned anymore, so it's really easy to counterpick and punish your chogath... Not if they lane against each other. Cho can harass almost anyone out of lane while out csing them. Later game cho isnt that strong but his solo laning is obnoxious because of carnivore For the first levels yea, but after that the cho player has to consistently land ruptures to keep the instagib threat active on kog because still kog's chasing power if he gets red is ridiculous. Especially if the cho delays his 3rd feast to set up a kill on kog.
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Idk every time I face a Kogmaw in lane I just completely deny him farm because he can't exactly outharass my passive nor can he trade nukes with me. Vs Kog just level scream going QEWWWR then R>W>Q>E and you pretty much straight win the lane while keeping him under 20 cs. His biggest threat is when he hits level 6 because if he's good at landing it he can still farm pretty decently from his tower. Really it doesn't matter what you do vs Kogmaw because Cho just wrecks him completely, he's pretty much a counterpick to Kogmaw because of rupture's abililty to threaten his life so much in a teamfight from across the battle. If you go AP you can essentially 2-shot him and if you go tank/cdr you're dropping so much rupture/scream/feast on him that he's essentially a walking auto-attack. Without his skills kogmaw's a pretty bad dps and Cho has like 3 SOLID ways to disable his skills.
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Also because kogmaw has to chase in a straight line and you have ghost/flash or ghost/cleanse there is pretty much no way in hell he is catching you if you're 1v1 with him even if he has red buff. Rupture is probably one of the best escape skills in the whole game against champs that chase in a straight line.
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Drunk LoL streaming tonight. Come watch!
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didn't think they would get stomped so hard wow
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TreeEskimo's rundown:
I'd love to have had the game recorded to do commentary of it - but sadly fraps hurts my FPS and livestream doesn't have a delay so cheating is possible.
It was a really high level game, well played by both sides. The scores don't really give justice to the game as at the 15 minute mark it was 3-2 them and both teams had a dragon. Jiji was outCS'd by my MF top cause MF has an advantage on ashe and judge was out CS'd by chogoth mid cause chogoth has an advantage on akali. Bottom lane also went to CLG, but it was much more even than the other two and considering it was sona/janna vs shen/morg I'm fairly impressed at how well takashi+mega did down there.
Everything went pretty much as planned in the early-mid game. The first major encounter was bottom lane - we had picked off sona and jiji was farming top to catch back up from being denied in the laning phase. We got bot tower but lost 2 champions in the fight and due to some sick micro by chauster he escaped with 20 hp and we didn't get any kills.
After that they had a slight advantage we were up a tower but equal on dragons and the score was 5-3 them I think. There were no more engagements for around 3-4 minutes as both teams just tried to get positioning on each other, but they were the first to make a move with a great offscreen arrow to pick off Judge Reinhold. I think we ended up losing a tower + another champion in the exchange and from that point on we were almost too far behind to come back.
We tried to fight one 5v4 by baron to comeback (I was against fighting them at the time) and they aced us. This led to them eventually getting baron and the game being over. We were aware the game was over around the 21 minute mark after the ace+baron when the score was 12-4 or so - but it was a tournament match so we played it out till they were killing our base just incase there was a mass disconnect on their team or something .
Well it was definitely well played by CLG and grats to them - hope they win the tournament so we can say we coulda taken second place!
When you're up against a chogoth whos farming your first goal on your carries should be to get some HP. If I didn't have the 3 dorans or akali didn't rush rylais feast would just crush us.
Aegis is possibly one of the best items to get on shen - if you can't win teamfights at high level play you can't win the game. They won't let you just farm up - they'll get every dragon and steal your jungle. They never HAVE to engage you at a tower, they can simply slowly outfarm + starve you.
There really weren't that many fights - in the first 20 minutes there were probably three fights, one bottom because we picked someone off - one mid because they hit an arrow on judge and one by baron brush because we tried to 5v4 to comeback.
Morg had trouble farming because she duo laned with shen against a stronger duo lane and because we lost all 3 of the major fights - he still almost had his zhonyas by the time of the baron that won CLG the game, problem is after baron all of our farming stopped as the game was over and they had full mapcontrol.
Hope this helps you understand how the game was played .
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United States47024 Posts
Is there a VOD of this game somewhere?
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On November 25 2010 08:06 r33k wrote: Oh and by the way, inb4 locket imba. Basically nowadays you can put a locket on anyone that doesn't do a 3 dorans build and he'll automatically be top tier. See locket veigar and locket tryndamere.
i would like to re-double this sentiment. locket is the best item in the game on anyone. when it got nerfed X months ago i thought it turned into a trash item but i just ran it on sona and galio in back to back games and absolutely crushed in both of them. that's an item i would never get on either usually. with locket galio i had all 5 of them chasing me from their double tower to our bottom first tower (including a warwick chasing) and still managed to get away. it was ridiculous. locket sona literally never has to go back to base, i ended up getting 6 kills + 28 assists in a row once i got locket, without dying once O_o. i'm gonna start building it on everyone i play, it's just so fucking good
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I just tried locket TF and I loved it. Poke forever with your imba Wild Card range and it heals you and you never run out of mp and you get to use it 10% more often and it gives you much needed HP cuz TF's hp is shit. And it makes you a ~10% better stunbot.
I actually built it because I thought we were losing and that'd be a good excuse to try it but we won anyway because our Singed carried us to victory after a really bad start. But when I finished a teamfight at full HP....
Probably doesn't work quite as well when your team isn't as poke-heavy though (Heimer pushing mid makes for lots of poking at people under turrets).
This definitely requires more experimentation. But on the subject of TF item builds I seriously have no idea what to do. I've been going Doran's Ring -> Boots + Sheen -> Rageblade -> Lichbane -> survivability, but that was before I tried Locket. I might try Doran's -> Boots/Rageblade -> Locket -> stuff (either survivability or build toward Lichbane probably).
edit: And boots 2 are in there somewhere of course ... Merc treads if I feel like I need them, zerker greaves if I feel like I can get away with it.
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HEAL PUSH IS BACK
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NeoIllusion is a jerk. Just trying to level up my account and I play against you, grandjudge, kobe AND chauster?! That's just not cool, man.
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United States37500 Posts
lol... I blame Chauster. AP Ezreal too strong. I got carried.
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All these bads jumpin' on the locket best item bandwagon. Triforce isn't just for fotm, it's for life.
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Uhh, can anyone link the patch notes again? The previous scribd link has expired or for some reason isn't working for me...
Also wtf its not my birthday yet-.-
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