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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 05 2011 02:27 GMT
#11461
nah, gragas is bad lol
just get cho'gath there is literally no role in the game that cho can't fill from caster to tank to carry
to anti-tank anti-carry anti-caster
his ult is most blatantly OP skill in the game
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 05 2011 02:29 GMT
#11462
On April 05 2011 11:20 R04R wrote:
Gragas Q is an aoe damage/atkspd debuff, E has % damage mitigation from 10-18% or something, E is a flash/slow that does an unexpectedly large amount of damage if it's maxed first, R is a repositioning skill similar to throwing janna into the enemy team. His passive heals 4% of his health with every skill use (you can spam all your skills off cooldown to save yourself from ignite like a boss). He has a great skillset but he's just not popular. He's not the best initiator but if you can land a good ult it can make it 5v2 pretty easily. He doesn't pull aggro persay, but he can definitely protect his teammates by just being in the way with his E


He used to be this unkillable and OP fat piece of shit that rolls around and kills you.
Sadly, it's not that way anymore :/
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 05 2011 02:30 GMT
#11463
On April 05 2011 11:27 gtrsrs wrote:
nah, gragas is bad lol
just get cho'gath there is literally no role in the game that cho can't fill from caster to tank to carry
to anti-tank anti-carry anti-caster
his ult is most blatantly OP skill in the game


But imo Gragas is more fun :D
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4664 Posts
April 05 2011 02:31 GMT
#11464
On April 05 2011 11:29 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 11:20 R04R wrote:
Gragas Q is an aoe damage/atkspd debuff, E has % damage mitigation from 10-18% or something, E is a flash/slow that does an unexpectedly large amount of damage if it's maxed first, R is a repositioning skill similar to throwing janna into the enemy team. His passive heals 4% of his health with every skill use (you can spam all your skills off cooldown to save yourself from ignite like a boss). He has a great skillset but he's just not popular. He's not the best initiator but if you can land a good ult it can make it 5v2 pretty easily. He doesn't pull aggro persay, but he can definitely protect his teammates by just being in the way with his E


He used to be this unkillable and OP fat piece of shit that rolls around and kills you.
Sadly, it's not that way anymore :/


Because they took our locket away T_T
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 05 2011 02:33 GMT
#11465
On April 05 2011 11:31 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 11:29 Abenson wrote:
On April 05 2011 11:20 R04R wrote:
Gragas Q is an aoe damage/atkspd debuff, E has % damage mitigation from 10-18% or something, E is a flash/slow that does an unexpectedly large amount of damage if it's maxed first, R is a repositioning skill similar to throwing janna into the enemy team. His passive heals 4% of his health with every skill use (you can spam all your skills off cooldown to save yourself from ignite like a boss). He has a great skillset but he's just not popular. He's not the best initiator but if you can land a good ult it can make it 5v2 pretty easily. He doesn't pull aggro persay, but he can definitely protect his teammates by just being in the way with his E


He used to be this unkillable and OP fat piece of shit that rolls around and kills you.
Sadly, it's not that way anymore :/


Because they took our locket away T_T


The locket got nerfed into oblivion lol
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 05 2011 02:52 GMT
#11466
So apparently there's another champion on the way. It kinda looks like a Nocturne skin, except fire not ice.
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=632208

Also:
I'm going to make a post about this soon. We're testing a lot of different options right now - this patch we have a Last Whisper change that's closer to its older values - making it a go-to on carries.

% Armor Pen is a good carry stat to deal with Fighters - we'll see how that ends up testing out. LW changes + Green Pot nerfs may hacve been a big factor in Fighter power,so we're going to test that theory.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=7567049#post7567049
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 03:26:40
April 05 2011 03:25 GMT
#11467
eh i hate that about riot

you nerf LW trying to make it not a go to item on carries then you buff it back again

god it would be terrible if you let riot balance starcraft. they need to stop being so rash and making so many decisions. i think it'll take them a year before they realize you can't have fucking 2 thousand heroes that are all useful, fun, have an ad and ap path, and competitive.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 05 2011 03:29 GMT
#11468
yea coupled with the huge nerfs they have been giving fighters recently and buffing that stuff back to normal, looks like ranged carries will be too strong again

they cant see the big picture
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2011 03:32 GMT
#11469
wasnt the whisper the first thing Morello changed when he got here? 6+ months to realize: "hey, maybe i have no fucking clue what is going on"
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
April 05 2011 03:36 GMT
#11470
Honestly I liked the Last Whisper change, let me go Phantom dancer and get all the movespeeds. The elixir nerfs hit ranged the hardest since it ruined the whole get your IE and do mad deeps without other shit.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 05 2011 03:41 GMT
#11471
yeah, nobody hardly buys elixirs anymore except endgame D:
made it more interesting when you had the choice
Hey! Listen!
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
April 05 2011 03:57 GMT
#11472
Personally I hope we will see more of a return to team fighting in lower level games without that one cock who has to chose mordekaiser and just push for 45 minutes.

I would like to see 5v4 be a little more one sided than it is, although I wouldnt want it to affect the ability for teams to as a whole to push into towers too terribly much.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 05 2011 04:19 GMT
#11473
On April 05 2011 11:31 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 11:29 Abenson wrote:
On April 05 2011 11:20 R04R wrote:
Gragas Q is an aoe damage/atkspd debuff, E has % damage mitigation from 10-18% or something, E is a flash/slow that does an unexpectedly large amount of damage if it's maxed first, R is a repositioning skill similar to throwing janna into the enemy team. His passive heals 4% of his health with every skill use (you can spam all your skills off cooldown to save yourself from ignite like a boss). He has a great skillset but he's just not popular. He's not the best initiator but if you can land a good ult it can make it 5v2 pretty easily. He doesn't pull aggro persay, but he can definitely protect his teammates by just being in the way with his E


He used to be this unkillable and OP fat piece of shit that rolls around and kills you.
Sadly, it's not that way anymore :/


Because they took our locket away T_T

That and the fact that they nerfed his "perma 26% less damage taken" drunken rage.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 05 2011 05:23 GMT
#11474
On April 05 2011 12:57 red_b wrote:
Personally I hope we will see more of a return to team fighting in lower level games without that one cock who has to chose mordekaiser and just push for 45 minutes.

I would like to see 5v4 be a little more one sided than it is, although I wouldnt want it to affect the ability for teams to as a whole to push into towers too terribly much.

wait.. what?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 06:03:24
April 05 2011 05:35 GMT
#11475
done
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 05 2011 05:59 GMT
#11476
On April 05 2011 12:36 mrgerry wrote:
Honestly I liked the Last Whisper change, let me go Phantom dancer and get all the movespeeds. The elixir nerfs hit ranged the hardest since it ruined the whole get your IE and do mad deeps without other shit.

Yeah, the initial LW nerf was needed imo. Having it edge out virtually every other attack speed option on ranged carries was sort of a retarded state of affairs, because people very rarely considered stuff like SotD or PD because LW was just so much better than everything else.

The cost nerf that happened after that was probably a bit overboard though.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 05 2011 06:04 GMT
#11477
ok, join now scrub.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
April 05 2011 09:50 GMT
#11478
Bigfatjiji watching day9 daily EP100 is pretty hilarious too see, love it!
Flying Tushin!!
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
April 05 2011 10:02 GMT
#11479
Gargas is awesome to play, and has very good ap ratios on q and r (0.9 and 1). He's definitely viable ap caster, though he's not top teir.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
April 05 2011 10:43 GMT
#11480
runes for ryze, any comment??

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