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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 04 2011 22:26 GMT
#11441
On April 05 2011 06:56 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Because it's easier to coordinate.

Still wouldn't have won you the game: Your enemies can coordinate better too.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 04 2011 23:08 GMT
#11442
Anyone know if Urfrider Corki will always be on sale or is he just a 1 time thing?
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 04 2011 23:20 GMT
#11443
It doesn't show under the Limited Availability in shop so i guess it will be available forever
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 04 2011 23:28 GMT
#11444
Meh, that makes me want to get it less.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 04 2011 23:39 GMT
#11445
Shake so elitist
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
April 05 2011 01:04 GMT
#11446
Yiruru: "wat/f u guys"
"nvm u guys own"
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 05 2011 01:07 GMT
#11447
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 05 2011 01:11 GMT
#11448
On April 05 2011 10:07 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?


imo as an off-tank he's viable, but he's definitely not durable enough to be a true tank.
He's really fun, but after they took out locket he faded again.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 05 2011 01:16 GMT
#11449
On April 05 2011 10:11 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 10:07 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?


imo as an off-tank he's viable, but he's definitely not durable enough to be a true tank.
He's really fun, but after they took out locket he faded again.


I'm still not too familiar with all the LoL speak, whats an off-tank, and how does it compare to a true tank or a tanky dps?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 01:48:25
April 05 2011 01:44 GMT
#11450
To be honest what constitutes a "tank" is a point often debated. However,

True tanks tend to have more CC, be more support-oriented, and are generally really bad targets to focus your DPS/burst on because they'll take it all and then their team will kill you.

Tanky DPS are exactly what they sound like, except that in principle they tend to give up support/cc and some survivability in exchange for being a significant damage source that can't be ignored (unlike a tank), but they still aren't an ideal focus target due to their beefiness.

An off tank as far as I can tell is basically a tank or tanky DPS that dies too fast when it's focused.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
April 05 2011 01:50 GMT
#11451
i have a question regarding wriggle nerf

if they were to nerf wriggle, would madreds razors + vamp scept still give you health back same as wriggles prenerf?
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
April 05 2011 01:52 GMT
#11452
On April 05 2011 10:50 shawster wrote:
i have a question regarding wriggle nerf

if they were to nerf wriggle, would madreds razors + vamp scept still give you health back same as wriggles prenerf?

No, Morello said that Madred's Razor is also being changed to magic damage instead of physical.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
April 05 2011 01:54 GMT
#11453
The line is pretty fuzzy at times, and it's more important to know what your champ can and can't do than to be able to put a label on it.

That said I think the role of most "tanks" is to pull aggro from your carries (another term that doesn't really apply too well to LoL), while the role of tanky DPS or off tank is to be able to wade through the enemy team and beat on the other team's carries. So tanks and tanky DPS both build mostly survivability but tanks naturally have lots of CC, while tanky DPS just does lots of damage without items.
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ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 05 2011 01:55 GMT
#11454
On April 05 2011 10:16 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 10:11 Abenson wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:07 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?


imo as an off-tank he's viable, but he's definitely not durable enough to be a true tank.
He's really fun, but after they took out locket he faded again.


I'm still not too familiar with all the LoL speak, whats an off-tank, and how does it compare to a true tank or a tanky dps?

He can be built with pure survivability items but it's better to build him as an AP character since he's naturally tanky already.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 05 2011 02:00 GMT
#11455
On April 05 2011 10:55 ArC_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 10:16 57 Corvette wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:11 Abenson wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:07 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?


imo as an off-tank he's viable, but he's definitely not durable enough to be a true tank.
He's really fun, but after they took out locket he faded again.


I'm still not too familiar with all the LoL speak, whats an off-tank, and how does it compare to a true tank or a tanky dps?

He can be built with pure survivability items but it's better to build him as an AP character since he's naturally tanky already.


So if you bulk up on AP, does that make him a sort of tanky-antitank? I don't know if I should buy him and try him out, wait until hes free and buy Galio or buy another champ alltogether (I do plan on getting Galio soon, just making sure that I have other options if Shen/Galio are banned)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 05 2011 02:08 GMT
#11456
If you want tanky caster, go with Cho Gath, Maokai, or Galio.

Gragas is not weak, but he eats up a solo lane and doesn't carry hard enough at the end of the day.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 02:13:59
April 05 2011 02:12 GMT
#11457
On April 05 2011 11:00 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 10:55 ArC_man wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:16 57 Corvette wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:11 Abenson wrote:
On April 05 2011 10:07 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been looking through the champions, and I came across Gragas. He seems to be really high HP, with decent spells, and I don't see him used a lot. Is he any good for tanking?


imo as an off-tank he's viable, but he's definitely not durable enough to be a true tank.
He's really fun, but after they took out locket he faded again.


I'm still not too familiar with all the LoL speak, whats an off-tank, and how does it compare to a true tank or a tanky dps?

He can be built with pure survivability items but it's better to build him as an AP character since he's naturally tanky already.


So if you bulk up on AP, does that make him a sort of tanky-antitank? I don't know if I should buy him and try him out, wait until hes free and buy Galio or buy another champ alltogether (I do plan on getting Galio soon, just making sure that I have other options if Shen/Galio are banned)


Any money you spend on ap will make you less tanky. You can go more tank, you can go more ap, it depends on how much your team needs damage from you. If you buy lots of ap you will not be even slightly tanky, you will be a straight up caster.

I can tell you gragas is SUPER fun.

He has an attack speed slow and a move speed debuff so he's good at pushing around carries and keeping them from killing your peepz in fights. Not amazing at fighting tanks, not terrible at it either.

I always wait for a champ to be free before I buy them.

My understanding of the terminology is that an off-tank is a champ that disables and controls the flow of a fight like a straight up tank, and gets into the thick of things, but can't take a ton of focus fire. A straight up tank wants to absorb all the enemy team's damage, off-tanks want to prevent the enemy team from outputting it, for example with cc or by chasing the carry around.

Tanky DPS is like an off-tank but with less cc and lots of damage.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
April 05 2011 02:14 GMT
#11458
ryze is best tanky caster imo hes more of a carry but hes pretty tanky
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
April 05 2011 02:20 GMT
#11459
Gragas Q is an aoe damage/atkspd debuff, E has % damage mitigation from 10-18% or something, E is a flash/slow that does an unexpectedly large amount of damage if it's maxed first, R is a repositioning skill similar to throwing janna into the enemy team. His passive heals 4% of his health with every skill use (you can spam all your skills off cooldown to save yourself from ignite like a boss). He has a great skillset but he's just not popular. He's not the best initiator but if you can land a good ult it can make it 5v2 pretty easily. He doesn't pull aggro persay, but he can definitely protect his teammates by just being in the way with his E
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 05 2011 02:25 GMT
#11460
imo gragas is fun, but you will probably want a different champ if you really want to win
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