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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 18:11:06
March 31 2011 18:10 GMT
#11021
On April 01 2011 03:01 Lanzoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
Lux (DEMACIAAAAAA *closes in autoattack and dies*)

What? Her autoattack range is one of the longest in the game. So ashe dies every time she autoattacks? That's some logic.

On April 01 2011 03:06 BlackPaladin wrote:
Editors Note: Lux's build glass cannon so they can do the most damage from long range, far from real danger.

If you went for Trinity Force you wouldn't be building glass cannon. -_-
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 18:15:09
March 31 2011 18:11 GMT
#11022
On April 01 2011 02:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
It's more of, you're generally moving when aiming. Rarely at higher level do you just stand at one spot because it's wasting valuable time to move around the map. By moving, you're changing the trajectory of where your arrow is coming from, such as there is a difference in angel of firing it from behind your inihb turret and your first turret. I think that's what he means. At least, that's why I don't like smart cast on ashe's arrow. It's just easier without it to me, but I'm also more used to not using smart casting. (maybe it's the starcraft player in me)

Not to mention that Ashe standing still doing nothing is the #1 most obvious sign that she's about to arrow.

On April 01 2011 03:10 Shikyo wrote:
What? Her autoattack range is one of the longest in the game. So ashe dies every time she autoattacks? That's some logic.

How is 550 range "one of the longest in the game"? It's the usual amount for ranged champions.

Ashe's AA range is 600--only 4 champs in the game naturally have 600+ range (with 2 more that have it conditionally).
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
March 31 2011 18:17 GMT
#11023
Woah just crashed and trying to log in. My position in queue is Over 9000 -.-;
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#11024
On April 01 2011 02:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 02:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
On April 01 2011 02:21 TheYango wrote:
On April 01 2011 02:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
Imagine having big blue glowing spheres showing you the splash radius on your rockets in an fps, and having to click twice to confirm that yes, you want to fire a rocket there that will do that. it's not even a crutch it's so silly

Not even a comparable analogy, because in an FPS, you always have yourself as the baseline point for the origin of the shot, so it takes no effort to know the straight line direction through which your shot is going to travel.

With Ashe arrows you're either just roughly guessing the direction which your shot is coming from (why you'd accept being imprecise with a 1 min CD, I don't know), or you're glancing at the minimap and estimating based on where your icon is--at which point the time it takes to glance at the minimap and interpret the direction from which your Arrow is coming from takes longer than just pressing R and clicking. You're no longer saving time, so what's the point of smartcasting?


How are you 'guessing' the direction you're coming from? You know it EXACTLY

If for some reason you don't know where you are the map you still have to find out, indicator or not, because then you don't know the travel time


It's more of, you're generally moving when aiming. Rarely at higher level do you just stand at one spot because it's wasting valuable time to move around the map. By moving, you're changing the trajectory of where your arrow is coming from, such as there is a difference in angel of firing it from behind your inihb turret and your first turret. I think that's what he means. At least, that's why I don't like smart cast on ashe's arrow. It's just easier without it to me, but I'm also more used to not using smart casting. (maybe it's the starcraft player in me)


firing while moving so impossible
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
March 31 2011 18:21 GMT
#11025
This actually just happened to me (and still is)

http://i.imgur.com/ULqT2.jpg

wtf
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 31 2011 18:22 GMT
#11026
I just don't see the gain in smart-casting Ashe arrows. Even if you're not using the skill-shot indicator, ECA just isn't a spell you want to split-second cast. You're going to take time to aim it, so where's the need to do it in 1 keypress instead of 2?
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 18:29:42
March 31 2011 18:28 GMT
#11027
On April 01 2011 03:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 02:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
On April 01 2011 02:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
On April 01 2011 02:21 TheYango wrote:
On April 01 2011 02:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
Imagine having big blue glowing spheres showing you the splash radius on your rockets in an fps, and having to click twice to confirm that yes, you want to fire a rocket there that will do that. it's not even a crutch it's so silly

Not even a comparable analogy, because in an FPS, you always have yourself as the baseline point for the origin of the shot, so it takes no effort to know the straight line direction through which your shot is going to travel.

With Ashe arrows you're either just roughly guessing the direction which your shot is coming from (why you'd accept being imprecise with a 1 min CD, I don't know), or you're glancing at the minimap and estimating based on where your icon is--at which point the time it takes to glance at the minimap and interpret the direction from which your Arrow is coming from takes longer than just pressing R and clicking. You're no longer saving time, so what's the point of smartcasting?


How are you 'guessing' the direction you're coming from? You know it EXACTLY

If for some reason you don't know where you are the map you still have to find out, indicator or not, because then you don't know the travel time


It's more of, you're generally moving when aiming. Rarely at higher level do you just stand at one spot because it's wasting valuable time to move around the map. By moving, you're changing the trajectory of where your arrow is coming from, such as there is a difference in angel of firing it from behind your inihb turret and your first turret. I think that's what he means. At least, that's why I don't like smart cast on ashe's arrow. It's just easier without it to me, but I'm also more used to not using smart casting. (maybe it's the starcraft player in me)


firing while moving so impossible


You click to move to a spot, say, from base to behind your first tower. While your champ is moving you look elsewhere and aim your arrow, then fire. Yes, you stop for a second to fire, that doesn't mean you weren't moving beforehand while aiming it.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 31 2011 18:29 GMT
#11028
You know where you are on the map, but you are watching a spot 3 screens away from your current location. You are moving. You have to get the timing right, you have to get the angle as good as you can, you have to predict the enemy's movement, you try to land the stun in a place and at a time where it is meaningful.
To get all of this right you should really take your time aiming anyways. In which case smartcasting doesn't even make you faster. NOT using smartcast however lets you eliminate one of the variables.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 31 2011 18:30 GMT
#11029
On April 01 2011 03:11 TheYango wrote:
Ashe's AA range is 600--only 4 champs in the game naturally have 600+ range (with 2 more that have it conditionally).

off the top of my head

ashe
annie
cait
trist (on levels)
kog (with w up)

that's 5
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 31 2011 18:32 GMT
#11030
On April 01 2011 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:11 TheYango wrote:
Ashe's AA range is 600--only 4 champs in the game naturally have 600+ range (with 2 more that have it conditionally).

off the top of my head

ashe
annie
cait
trist (on levels)
kog (with w up)

that's 5

Anivia has 600 natural range.
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Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
March 31 2011 18:32 GMT
#11031
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 31 2011 18:47 GMT
#11032
On April 01 2011 03:32 Lanzoma wrote:
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?

Well the discussion was about who's the worst trinity force user, and I definitely disagree about Lux being one because her passive synergizes with it and she has a lot of range and a snare and a slow.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 31 2011 19:04 GMT
#11033
On April 01 2011 03:47 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:32 Lanzoma wrote:
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?

Well the discussion was about who's the worst trinity force user, and I definitely disagree about Lux being one because her passive synergizes with it and she has a lot of range and a snare and a slow.

Well ok, throw her out if you want. Why are you even discussing such an obviously not very serious post?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 31 2011 19:05 GMT
#11034
On April 01 2011 04:04 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:47 Shikyo wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:32 Lanzoma wrote:
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?

Well the discussion was about who's the worst trinity force user, and I definitely disagree about Lux being one because her passive synergizes with it and she has a lot of range and a snare and a slow.

Well ok, throw her out if you want. Why are you even discussing such an obviously not very serious post?

Ok let's rather talk about my lanemate Zilean going 0-3 vs a Veigar/Master Yi bottom lane. How's that possible?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 31 2011 19:10 GMT
#11035
On April 01 2011 04:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 04:04 spinesheath wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:47 Shikyo wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:32 Lanzoma wrote:
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?

Well the discussion was about who's the worst trinity force user, and I definitely disagree about Lux being one because her passive synergizes with it and she has a lot of range and a snare and a slow.

Well ok, throw her out if you want. Why are you even discussing such an obviously not very serious post?

Ok let's rather talk about my lanemate Zilean going 0-3 vs a Veigar/Master Yi bottom lane. How's that possible?

Right click on tower, die, respawn, repeat? Obviously your enemies have to react quickly to get a hit off before the tower solo kills him, but I figure they might manage that once every 2-3 runs by an accidental Alpha Strike or Dark Matter hit.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 31 2011 19:12 GMT
#11036
On April 01 2011 04:10 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 04:05 Shikyo wrote:
On April 01 2011 04:04 spinesheath wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:47 Shikyo wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:32 Lanzoma wrote:
I think you're just trolling now Shikyo. Trinity force + tank items on Lux, real?

Well the discussion was about who's the worst trinity force user, and I definitely disagree about Lux being one because her passive synergizes with it and she has a lot of range and a snare and a slow.

Well ok, throw her out if you want. Why are you even discussing such an obviously not very serious post?

Ok let's rather talk about my lanemate Zilean going 0-3 vs a Veigar/Master Yi bottom lane. How's that possible?

Right click on tower, die, respawn, repeat? Obviously your enemies have to react quickly to get a hit off before the tower solo kills him, but I figure they might manage that once every 2-3 runs by an accidental Alpha Strike or Dark Matter hit.

*runs behind enemy creeps to bomb, alpha strike -> stun combo. Repeat.

asdasdaf
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 19:28:58
March 31 2011 19:24 GMT
#11037
lol people are like that. Don't take the game too seriously. I look at the hilarious stuff (generally it's just poor play, but I find it funny still) and make jokes about it.

For example, when my friend was first learning and I played Kayle, he would run at the enemy and tank 2 turret hits lvl 1 then die to like a few attacks. All I'd do is joke and go "Dude, I'm kayle, I can't heal for 600 at lvl 1." We both kind of just laugh about that now, because it's funny when you look back at such things.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 31 2011 19:59 GMT
#11038
lol i keep getting these 0-10-0 players in my games
how hard is it to get 1 assist lol
and i think they're actually trying
Hey! Listen!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 31 2011 20:03 GMT
#11039
Come back 2 us.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
March 31 2011 20:06 GMT
#11040
Navi you should stop dodging me and be guaranteed a 0-10 player in your game
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