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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
Basic Items (early game): Start with: ![]() When you base first time @ lv7-8, u should get ![]() + at least one of those (depend ur lane and how much gold u have) ![]() ![]() ![]() and then get sheen ![]() Late game items: if little CC ![]() or if lotz CC ![]() vs AD team ![]() and/or ![]() + ![]() vs AP team banshee is good to have even vs AD team ![]() ![]() I like to get FON only when game is very very late ![]() Output item Buy trinity very late (when u are tanky enough) ![]() remember buy BT if u wanna skip lattern ![]() | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
See if pnax will finally link an actual guide from the first post x_x Swain also will crush Irelia in lane, since she has no fast way to get out. I think in blind queue you should make sure your team always has someone who can handle her solo top or someone who can shut her down in teamfights. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Fast Trinity is boss Guardian Angel is tied for my favorite Defensive Item with Banshee's Veil on her I literally never get HoG or Catalyst or Lantern on her quickly. Sheen + Vamp Scepter is all that's really set in stone early. Trinity before tanking out is incredibly common and incredibly powerful. Stark's is recommended over BT if you don't get lantern to utilize your True Damage better and benefit your team. Why in fucks name would you ever get the 2nd point of defensive mastery before the first point in Hardened Skin when you already have 3 in Armor? And skill order is 100% preference. I've tried them all and my current order is QEWQER -> R > W > E > Q. It really doesn't matter that much though, all her abilities are crazy good. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
I like to get Sheen only then just go pure tanky. I have never tried Guardian Angel on Irelia yet... btw I started playing Irelia last week when I saw wickd's Irelia raping Cho and Gragas solo top, and I was like WTFFFF... and Irelia already started getting banned on EU 2 weeks ago rolf.. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On February 23 2011 06:50 emucxg wrote: (...) I got inspired by wickd(...) This can't be happening, please lord no Wicked is kinda well known for doing builds that are not recommended at all.IIRC Atlanta always rushed triforce (i think his build is just like Smash describes - triforce+vamp scepter into survivability) and from my experience the power boost you get after triforce is enormous. Once you get boots 2 + vamp scepter + triforce you can finish your afk-farming and go ace the enemy team, gg. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
don't even get wriggles/HoG/catalyst until after triforce usually sheen + boots, vamp + zeal/phage, finish triforce, thirster/cleaver/starks, tank for me she's durable enough to survive the first 25 minutes without tank items | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:00 Kaniol wrote: This can't be happening, please lord no Wicked is kinda well known for doing builds that are not recommended at all.IIRC Atlanta always rushed triforce (i think his build is just like Smash describes - triforce+vamp scepter into survivability) and from my experience the power boost you get after triforce is enormous. Once you get boots 2 + vamp scepter + triforce you can finish your afk-farming and go ace the enemy team, gg. My style is more like AFK farm solo top 24/7 hah :D | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:04 gtrsrs wrote: fast triforce owns don't even get wriggles/HoG/catalyst until after triforce usually sheen + boots, vamp + zeal/phage, finish triforce, thirster/cleaver/starks, tank for me she's durable enough to survive the first 25 minutes without tank items alright, need try this tomorrow... before the damn nerf, lol | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:04 gtrsrs wrote: fast triforce owns don't even get wriggles/HoG/catalyst until after triforce usually sheen + boots, vamp + zeal/phage, finish triforce, thirster/cleaver/starks, tank for me she's durable enough to survive the first 25 minutes without tank items she hits hard enough to rape people without more than triforce though. as a melee character, as soon as you're able to kill people reasonably quickly, extra income should be spent on defensive items IMO. And you should care about my opinion on this as Melee characters are basically what I do, what I've always done and what I'll continue to do. I've frequently lost games because I've been like, "LOL, I'm 10-0 pantheon, time to get my 2nd Bloodthirster," and then found myself getting insta-gibbed before I could afford a BV or GA but I've never lost a game because I got a Banshee's Veil instead of going overboard on offensive items. the other thing that's worth mentioning on Irelia is Wit's End, as Irelia + WW with wit's end will absolutely rape certain lineups by just outlasting them and then rendering them helpless by depleating their mana pool. This is typically something I consider after BV against burst heavy tank teams. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
alright, need try this tomorrow... before the damn nerf, lol Jesus christ do you own every rune set in the game? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Jesus christ do you own every rune set in the game? you'd probably shit yourself if you ever saw my rune collection, lol. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:13 Mogwai wrote: you'd probably shit yourself if you ever saw my rune collection, lol. But like....% less death time? gold/10secs? +XP gain? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: actually, this brings up a pretty big misconception that I see a lot... Gold/5 quints are essential on Supports IMHO. In my games, you're typical support will end up with 10-20 cs in a <25 minute game and like 20-40 in really long games. Under these circumstances, having Gold/5 quints, greed, and 1 or 2 fast Gold/5 Items is an absolute necessity IMO. Basically, any time I play with Clairvoyance, I run MPen/Armor/MRes/GOLDp5, 0/9/21, open fairy charm + 3 pots + ward, rush 1 philostone and 1 HoG or Kage's at least, regardless of character. This might be really ineffective at low elo play where CS would be missed out on, but again, in the game's I play, this is support as we know it. Typically you'll lane with a singed/Malph/Nasus/Shen and your lanemate will have comparable CS to all the solo lanes if you're doing your job right. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
HP Quint = 26 HP = 68.6 Gold So a Gold Quint will pay off an HP Quint in value by the 12 minute mark. amp tome = 20 AP/435 Gold = ~0.046 AP/Gold AP Quint = 4.95 AP = 107.7 Gold So a Gold Quint will pay off an AP Quint in value by the 18 minute mark In most games, the net gold value that you get from a Gold Quint will be higher than any other quint, HOWEVER, the value it gives is over time, and not immediate, so you don't get that full benefit early in lane, which is what most characters want from their runes. But, when you're not killing any creeps, having that extra income to fuel more investments in extra income (Philo stone) will yield a relatively large net effect on your gold earned per game. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I personally much prefer setting Janna up for a really strong earlygame. APen/flat MP5/MReslvl/flat HP5 is what I use currently, open with DShield usually (and something along the lines of 0/13/17). Allows me to harrass a ton while my ally is completely free to farm. Gold/10 would be nice to have (I have a set of those too), but I prefer securing the lane more firmly so my ally can outfarm the enemies. I did pretty much the same with Sona back then (and probably still could, but now she fails so hard mid/lategame without lots of farm that I don't play her anymore). I won bottom lane almost always when I played Sona or Janna. I don't play other supports all that much, but imo if you cannot get into your enemies' faces during laning then you fail as a support. And try APen instead of MPen, at least on all the ranged supports. Godlike. | ||
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Wicked is kinda well known for doing builds that are not recommended at all.