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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 19 2011 05:46 GMT
#4501
lol poor greenmachine
hazmat is local baddie (900 elo) and resident troll. just ignore him, especially on his birthday
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
January 19 2011 05:49 GMT
#4502
I honestly fought a Yi (I was smurfing) who, upon being hit with cleaver #42516346, asked "how u can cast spell with no mana?"
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2011 05:50 GMT
#4503
On January 19 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 14:43 Hynda wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:41 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Yes i figured you were but some people who read this would be totally lost cuz of u

Some things to take into account while auto attacking in a lane:

Cons:
-pushing in the lane puts you in a dangerous position because of a gank on the enemy team
-if you have any form of lane dominance you forfeit that when you push as your opponent will have an easier time under the tower

Pros:
-If you push you kill the enemy creeps faster and get xp faster so you'll get a faster lvl 2 or lvl 3
-lifesteal if your hero/item gives it
-if you go back as your lane is pushed you will lose less XP and possible creep kills as the creeps will pile up near your tower by the time you get back

The way I do laning is try to push as little as possible then if I kill my lane opponent i'll push hard for max 10 seconds then go B, buy items, and come back. The lane should be at my tower with about twice the size of a normal wave.

Times you want to push early are if you are mid, and if you have a hero that will benefit a lot from having a fast lvl 2 (most heros). For example a tristana who mids should push early on to get a fast lvl 2 to do very good harass. The lane will equalize after coming off the enemy tower, just punch a few creeps to get it equal.

Actually finding the LoL section on TL is harder than to learn proper lane control.

True dat. I had to make a bookmark just so I could find my way here.

How to find TL LoL section without bookmarks:

Step 1 - Click random TL section
Step 2 - Change to "show_part=51"
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
January 19 2011 05:51 GMT
#4504
On January 19 2011 14:28 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 14:24 Dgiese wrote:
One of the things I noticed when playing with some friends on vent was that they really didn't grasp the finer points of lane control, and from reading some posts on here.

I'm by no means a master, but comments I heard from my friends like "Omg this noob ashe is so annoying, she keeps auto attacking while i'm only last hitting and then i get pushed to my tower and miss a bunch of CS".

Auto attacking other than to get last hits isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can be a good strategy to push to their tower if the opponent has trouble last hitting at it and you would have trouble zoning him if the creeps were pushed towards yours. Of course you have to be aware of ganks etc.

But long story short, 'autoattacking' isn't to LoL players what pork is to Muslims, there can be a time and a place for it. It's a valuable tool in your arsenal of lane controlling options.


OK we are trolling green
no need to sermon us up uncle jerimiah

must admit i liked the part about the pork and muslims.


Wasn't referring to the conversation about vamp sceptre you guys were having... just musing in general.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 19 2011 05:51 GMT
#4505
I see your point greenmachine but meh.
I'll take having summoner heal over someone stealing my buff 100%.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
January 19 2011 05:52 GMT
#4506
On January 19 2011 14:46 gtrsrs wrote:
lol poor greenmachine
hazmat is local baddie (900 elo) and resident troll. just ignore him, especially on his birthday

lol well I hope someone learned something from that whole proper laning paragraph. I just recently learned that pushing your lane right before going B saves you XP and gold and Im sure some people here would enjoy knowing that.
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 19 2011 05:52 GMT
#4507
summoner heal? Pfff, no thanks. Ill take revive any day. You get full health, not some tiny portion, and you get speed.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 05:57:13
January 19 2011 05:55 GMT
#4508
On January 19 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 14:43 Hynda wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:41 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Yes i figured you were but some people who read this would be totally lost cuz of u

Some things to take into account while auto attacking in a lane:

Cons:
-pushing in the lane puts you in a dangerous position because of a gank on the enemy team
-if you have any form of lane dominance you forfeit that when you push as your opponent will have an easier time under the tower

Pros:
-If you push you kill the enemy creeps faster and get xp faster so you'll get a faster lvl 2 or lvl 3
-lifesteal if your hero/item gives it
-if you go back as your lane is pushed you will lose less XP and possible creep kills as the creeps will pile up near your tower by the time you get back

The way I do laning is try to push as little as possible then if I kill my lane opponent i'll push hard for max 10 seconds then go B, buy items, and come back. The lane should be at my tower with about twice the size of a normal wave.

Times you want to push early are if you are mid, and if you have a hero that will benefit a lot from having a fast lvl 2 (most heros). For example a tristana who mids should push early on to get a fast lvl 2 to do very good harass. The lane will equalize after coming off the enemy tower, just punch a few creeps to get it equal.

Actually finding the LoL section on TL is harder than to learn proper lane control.

True dat. I had to make a bookmark just so I could find my way here.


that's the intention



anyway back on topic, what green doesn't seem to realize is that KILLS don't win you the game, taking down TOWERS does. common misunderstanding at low ELO, they just play like deathmatch instead of attacking the enemy army
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
January 19 2011 05:58 GMT
#4509
On January 19 2011 14:51 HazMat wrote:
I see your point greenmachine but meh.
I'll take having summoner heal over someone stealing my buff 100%.

Clarity on jungle akali es best

Don't run out of mana ever
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
January 19 2011 06:01 GMT
#4510
On January 19 2011 14:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:43 Hynda wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:41 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Yes i figured you were but some people who read this would be totally lost cuz of u

Some things to take into account while auto attacking in a lane:

Cons:
-pushing in the lane puts you in a dangerous position because of a gank on the enemy team
-if you have any form of lane dominance you forfeit that when you push as your opponent will have an easier time under the tower

Pros:
-If you push you kill the enemy creeps faster and get xp faster so you'll get a faster lvl 2 or lvl 3
-lifesteal if your hero/item gives it
-if you go back as your lane is pushed you will lose less XP and possible creep kills as the creeps will pile up near your tower by the time you get back

The way I do laning is try to push as little as possible then if I kill my lane opponent i'll push hard for max 10 seconds then go B, buy items, and come back. The lane should be at my tower with about twice the size of a normal wave.

Times you want to push early are if you are mid, and if you have a hero that will benefit a lot from having a fast lvl 2 (most heros). For example a tristana who mids should push early on to get a fast lvl 2 to do very good harass. The lane will equalize after coming off the enemy tower, just punch a few creeps to get it equal.

Actually finding the LoL section on TL is harder than to learn proper lane control.

True dat. I had to make a bookmark just so I could find my way here.


that's the intention



anyway back on topic, what green doesn't seem to realize is that KILLS don't win you the game, taking down TOWERS does. common misunderstanding at low ELO, they just play like deathmatch instead of attacking the enemy army

Well yeah obviously you win the game by pushing towers and killing the nexus but you cant just A+click and expect to win. Theres more to it than that. Theres all kinds of other things to worry about but if you want a good laning phase you should follow those rules...

Pushing towers is great but lvl 1-5 do you really think your 10% damage on the tower is going to make a difference when you get ganked twice by jungle shaco?
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 06:06:02
January 19 2011 06:04 GMT
#4511
On January 19 2011 15:01 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 14:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:43 Hynda wrote:
On January 19 2011 14:41 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Yes i figured you were but some people who read this would be totally lost cuz of u

Some things to take into account while auto attacking in a lane:

Cons:
-pushing in the lane puts you in a dangerous position because of a gank on the enemy team
-if you have any form of lane dominance you forfeit that when you push as your opponent will have an easier time under the tower

Pros:
-If you push you kill the enemy creeps faster and get xp faster so you'll get a faster lvl 2 or lvl 3
-lifesteal if your hero/item gives it
-if you go back as your lane is pushed you will lose less XP and possible creep kills as the creeps will pile up near your tower by the time you get back

The way I do laning is try to push as little as possible then if I kill my lane opponent i'll push hard for max 10 seconds then go B, buy items, and come back. The lane should be at my tower with about twice the size of a normal wave.

Times you want to push early are if you are mid, and if you have a hero that will benefit a lot from having a fast lvl 2 (most heros). For example a tristana who mids should push early on to get a fast lvl 2 to do very good harass. The lane will equalize after coming off the enemy tower, just punch a few creeps to get it equal.

Actually finding the LoL section on TL is harder than to learn proper lane control.

True dat. I had to make a bookmark just so I could find my way here.


that's the intention



anyway back on topic, what green doesn't seem to realize is that KILLS don't win you the game, taking down TOWERS does. common misunderstanding at low ELO, they just play like deathmatch instead of attacking the enemy army

Well yeah obviously you win the game by pushing towers and killing the nexus but you cant just A+click and expect to win. Theres more to it than that. Theres all kinds of other things to worry about but if you want a good laning phase you should follow those rules...

Pushing towers is great but lvl 1-5 do you really think your 10% damage on the tower is going to make a difference when you get ganked twice by jungle shaco?


Of course not, that's where skill comes in. Reverse the gank.

edit: jungle shaco... lol?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
January 19 2011 06:07 GMT
#4512
On January 19 2011 15:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
edit: jungle shaco... lol?

aka 99% of shacos
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 19 2011 06:11 GMT
#4513
Clarity on morde es best. Never run out of mana. Shield es best. Tank turret ezpz. Morde #1 champion he es best.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
January 19 2011 06:12 GMT
#4514
I demand they put the EU servers back up so I can get a game in before work ; <
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 06:17:54
January 19 2011 06:13 GMT
#4515
On January 19 2011 15:07 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 15:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
edit: jungle shaco... lol?

aka 99% of shacos

well, maybe it's that way at level 23, things change a bit as you get higher in ranks though.

EDIT: let me clarify. why on earth would you jungle shaco? He CAN'T GAIN LIFE so he'll die to jungle creeps.

Good junglers heal back all the damage they take, for example nunu with consume (deals damage to a creep and heals him), warwick with the same skill, and yi with meditate.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
January 19 2011 06:14 GMT
#4516
On January 19 2011 15:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 15:07 TheGreenMachine wrote:
On January 19 2011 15:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
edit: jungle shaco... lol?

aka 99% of shacos


well, maybe it's that way at level 23, things change a bit as you get higher in ranks though.

I am actually laughing my ass off because you said that. Made my day :D!!
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 19 2011 06:14 GMT
#4517
real gay discussion
Brees on in
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
January 19 2011 06:18 GMT
#4518
On January 19 2011 15:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 15:07 TheGreenMachine wrote:
On January 19 2011 15:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
edit: jungle shaco... lol?

aka 99% of shacos

well, maybe it's that way at level 23, things change a bit as you get higher in ranks though.

EDIT: let me clarify. why on earth would you jungle shaco? He CAN'T GAIN LIFE so he'll die to jungle creeps or somebody will just walk in and kill him.

Good junglers heal back all the damage they take, for example nunu with consume (deals damage to a creep and heals him), warwick with the same skill, and yi with meditate.

Well people get latern or just spam pots. While I can agree that Shaco isn't stellar in the jungle vs people that know what they are doing killing him there with all the shit he can teleport over is near impossible. Jungle Shaco is imba in solo queue.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
January 19 2011 06:19 GMT
#4519
On January 19 2011 15:14 Brees wrote:
real gay discussion


This is Shake's favorite meme; I vote we all adopt it.

real good.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 19 2011 06:20 GMT
#4520
real brees post.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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