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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 23 2011 08:53 GMT
#22541
They need Kayle's old passive. My friend used to save his ult for himself so that he'd be able to 1v5 them. Hahah.
Retvrn to Forvms
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 23 2011 08:54 GMT
#22542
On July 23 2011 17:25 BlackPaladin wrote:
Unless it's a ridiculously good scaling of penetration it's basically going to suck compared to her old passive by far. Both earlygame and endgame because while she's gaining pen she's losing a LOT of AD + AP that normally kayle's have from runes + passive. It's kind of dumb that they're nerfing such a niche champion that not many players play, and isn't as abusable as something like irelia, poppy, etc.....

Lategame flat reduction sucks cock unless you can stack a fuckload and kayle does a mix so you don't want to stack a flat reduction. Her old passive also made hybrid items much more efficient for her where it actually gave her a cool hybrid feel. This is just stupid to me. They're destroying what the character was designed to be and utterly are taking her in an entirely different direction from what they said. Hybrid carry my ass.

I kinda agree. I think they should've just nerfed the numbers on her passive so it wasn't so ridiculous.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 23 2011 09:41 GMT
#22543
On July 23 2011 17:25 BlackPaladin wrote:
Unless it's a ridiculously good scaling of penetration it's basically going to suck compared to her old passive by far. Both earlygame and endgame because while she's gaining pen she's losing a LOT of AD + AP that normally kayle's have from runes + passive. It's kind of dumb that they're nerfing such a niche champion that not many players play, and isn't as abusable as something like irelia, poppy, etc.....

Lategame flat reduction sucks cock unless you can stack a fuckload and kayle does a mix so you don't want to stack a flat reduction. Her old passive also made hybrid items much more efficient for her where it actually gave her a cool hybrid feel. This is just stupid to me. They're destroying what the character was designed to be and utterly are taking her in an entirely different direction from what they said. Hybrid carry my ass.

I never said it was any good, just said it was hybrid, probs gonna be nice earlygame and completely worthless lategame. They could've made her old passive only scale off of bonus ap/ad, not base.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
aliasds
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada555 Posts
July 23 2011 09:42 GMT
#22544
On July 23 2011 17:25 BlackPaladin wrote:
Unless it's a ridiculously good scaling of penetration it's basically going to suck compared to her old passive by far. Both earlygame and endgame because while she's gaining pen she's losing a LOT of AD + AP that normally kayle's have from runes + passive. It's kind of dumb that they're nerfing such a niche champion that not many players play, and isn't as abusable as something like irelia, poppy, etc.....

Lategame flat reduction sucks cock unless you can stack a fuckload and kayle does a mix so you don't want to stack a flat reduction. Her old passive also made hybrid items much more efficient for her where it actually gave her a cool hybrid feel. This is just stupid to me. They're destroying what the character was designed to be and utterly are taking her in an entirely different direction from what they said. Hybrid carry my ass.


Pretty sure he said it pierces a percentage, but they seem to be using "remake" as nothing more than a euphemism for "giant nerf"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 23 2011 10:11 GMT
#22545
My post was a general statement not directed to anyone.

On July 23 2011 18:42 aliasds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 17:25 BlackPaladin wrote:
Unless it's a ridiculously good scaling of penetration it's basically going to suck compared to her old passive by far. Both earlygame and endgame because while she's gaining pen she's losing a LOT of AD + AP that normally kayle's have from runes + passive. It's kind of dumb that they're nerfing such a niche champion that not many players play, and isn't as abusable as something like irelia, poppy, etc.....

Lategame flat reduction sucks cock unless you can stack a fuckload and kayle does a mix so you don't want to stack a flat reduction. Her old passive also made hybrid items much more efficient for her where it actually gave her a cool hybrid feel. This is just stupid to me. They're destroying what the character was designed to be and utterly are taking her in an entirely different direction from what they said. Hybrid carry my ass.


Pretty sure he said it pierces a percentage, but they seem to be using "remake" as nothing more than a euphemism for "giant nerf"


You're right, he said percentage, which makes it even worse for earlygame. =/
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 23 2011 12:26 GMT
#22546
The one thing that bugs me abt the kayle remake is that phreak mentioned as one of his concerns her lv2 being too weak.

Now I can only guess he was building her terribly wrong, but with Q and E kayle had hands down the best lv2 in the game, I'm kind of worried since the remake was built in part over those fundamentally wrong grounds.
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
July 23 2011 13:54 GMT
#22547
The top upvoted comment right now is "They should "rework" Katarina and add her mana and double her cooldowns."

Jesus christ, youtube elo must be terrrrrible.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 23 2011 14:06 GMT
#22548
So I just encountered the "random into a banned champ bug"
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We ended up winning because the guy was a first time GP, and once you random a banned champ you can't random again apparently.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#22549
Doubt simply him playing GP was why they lost......
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
July 23 2011 14:29 GMT
#22550
lol Phreak

"more powerful without items" when her passive gave her so much damage to begin with that she could 1v1 most people
"nightmarish late game" it's good, but it's far from being the best lategame and I'd argue she doesn't really do much more damage than your average ranged carry

and I don't see how it even qualifies as a rework when the only real change was her passive which sucks now + nerfs across the board.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
July 23 2011 14:44 GMT
#22551
On July 23 2011 23:29 starfries wrote:
lol Phreak

"more powerful without items" when her passive gave her so much damage to begin with that she could 1v1 most people
"nightmarish late game" it's good, but it's far from being the best lategame and I'd argue she doesn't really do much more damage than your average ranged carry

and I don't see how it even qualifies as a rework when the only real change was her passive which sucks now + nerfs across the board.


I just got back from vacation, this is sad news indeed.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 23 2011 14:46 GMT
#22552
On July 23 2011 23:20 BlackPaladin wrote:
Doubt simply him playing GP was why they lost......



Well yea, I had udyr duh.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 23 2011 14:48 GMT
#22553
On July 23 2011 22:54 TL Blazeraid wrote:
The top upvoted comment right now is "They should "rework" Katarina and add her mana and double her cooldowns."

Jesus christ, youtube elo must be terrrrrible.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this person was being sarcastic.

Regarding her new passive, I think you can't judge without knowing the numbers. A % armor/MR shred that helps out your whole team could actually be really powerful. Maybe, for example, you could play Kayle sort of like Taric - play bottom lane support, build really tanky and use your passive to help your team kill people.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 14:54:28
July 23 2011 14:51 GMT
#22554
Phreak, translated, imoimo:

"We are going to take a perfectly fine champ that wasn't played often to her full potential and completely change her in the opposite direction from what we constantly said here at Riot Games for the past months. We, firstly, will nerf her passive and nerf her main nuke. We'll make her heal heal even less but it gives more speed boost to make it more "clutch," herpityderpityyyy, while making her e slightly better and keeping her ult the same. Now we can say she's now gotten a buff after we have officially nerfed her earlygame, midgame, and lategame, while I build her like kogmaw with less range and kill stuff while I'm fed in my horribly made spotlights.

We here at Riot games believe in making champs unique and different so they will have a nice feel to them. That's why we're changing this champ that had that into something that is more cookie cutter. We hope that this will cause people to not think we are morons. huehuehue *insert troll face gif*"

#1
(Sorry, the whole kayle remake is just pissing me off. She was my first ever played champ and my first main, so it's personal seeing them ruining that hybrid part that made her unique very unique and interesting to me >;/)
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 14:58:16
July 23 2011 14:56 GMT
#22555
Fuck this shit, EU is completely unplayable after the split. You're getting retarded people on both sides and games are decided by random numbers.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
July 23 2011 15:11 GMT
#22556
On July 23 2011 23:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Phreak, translated, imoimo:

"We are going to take a perfectly fine champ that wasn't played often to her full potential and completely change her in the opposite direction from what we constantly said here at Riot Games for the past months. We, firstly, will nerf her passive and nerf her main nuke. We'll make her heal heal even less but it gives more speed boost to make it more "clutch," herpityderpityyyy, while making her e slightly better and keeping her ult the same. Now we can say she's now gotten a buff after we have officially nerfed her earlygame, midgame, and lategame, while I build her like kogmaw with less range and kill stuff while I'm fed in my horribly made spotlights.

We here at Riot games believe in making champs unique and different so they will have a nice feel to them. That's why we're changing this champ that had that into something that is more cookie cutter. We hope that this will cause people to not think we are morons. huehuehue *insert troll face gif*"

#1
(Sorry, the whole kayle remake is just pissing me off. She was my first ever played champ and my first main, so it's personal seeing them ruining that hybrid part that made her unique very unique and interesting to me >;/)

I feel you, I have like 200 games played with Kayle, she was my first buy and my first love. I really don't get why they would take a champ that nobody is playing and just straight down nerf her.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 23 2011 16:07 GMT
#22557
On July 24 2011 00:11 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 23:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Phreak, translated, imoimo:

"We are going to take a perfectly fine champ that wasn't played often to her full potential and completely change her in the opposite direction from what we constantly said here at Riot Games for the past months. We, firstly, will nerf her passive and nerf her main nuke. We'll make her heal heal even less but it gives more speed boost to make it more "clutch," herpityderpityyyy, while making her e slightly better and keeping her ult the same. Now we can say she's now gotten a buff after we have officially nerfed her earlygame, midgame, and lategame, while I build her like kogmaw with less range and kill stuff while I'm fed in my horribly made spotlights.

We here at Riot games believe in making champs unique and different so they will have a nice feel to them. That's why we're changing this champ that had that into something that is more cookie cutter. We hope that this will cause people to not think we are morons. huehuehue *insert troll face gif*"

#1
(Sorry, the whole kayle remake is just pissing me off. She was my first ever played champ and my first main, so it's personal seeing them ruining that hybrid part that made her unique very unique and interesting to me >;/)

I feel you, I have like 200 games played with Kayle, she was my first buy and my first love. I really don't get why they would take a champ that nobody is playing and just straight down nerf her.


it's the same thing that they did to jax and xin... people at low elo play those kind of late-game monsters and just beast with them. riot has to balance for all levels of play unfortunately
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 23 2011 16:23 GMT
#22558
On July 23 2011 23:56 BluzMan wrote:
Fuck this shit, EU is completely unplayable after the split. You're getting retarded people on both sides and games are decided by random numbers.


I'm playing on West and everything seems fine for the most part
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 23 2011 16:26 GMT
#22559
Can somebody explain to me what the game currently on the "ESL TV Studio 2" stream is?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 23 2011 16:36 GMT
#22560
On July 23 2011 23:56 BluzMan wrote:
Fuck this shit, EU is completely unplayable after the split. You're getting retarded people on both sides and games are decided by random numbers.


West or bust.
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