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On August 24 2015 23:23 Djzapz wrote:
I've been told before that the monk has serious weaknesses but I have yet to find them. He can do very serious damage if he specs for it, he can heal steadily and has his clutch heal thing that'll disrupt focus fire. At higher levels I guess people can cope with this but with random people in matchmaking, it's really difficult to recover from his shit.
Played a game where the other team had Kael'Thas and the Monk. Kael now just hard as fuck to play against, he can just drop insane damage with such incredible ease it's ridiculous, it seems too easy. Now I'm only rank 10 (though rising rapidly) and I don't know shit but it just seems too easy to be proficient with. Kael can move up and overextend like a motherfucker in team fight, deal an absolutely insane amount of damage sending the other team into disarray and still fucking survive because the monk decides nope you don't die today and boop 70% health and we're all too low hp to switch targets and we're still blowing up left and right.
I don't consider myself good enough to say it's OP, but it certainly feels that way, and it certainly is a pain to play against, especially in a game which makes communicating with teammates in real time fucking impossible. (Wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings).
Monk's two biggest weaknesses are lack of CC and lack of good wave clear. Each is significant. However, he compensates very well for these shortcomings by being an absolute menace in teamfights with his high mobility, high damage (if SSS), and ability to crap out a significant amount of healing -- even without taking the BoH talents at 7 and 16. He excels as a clean up artist if you take WotHF at 7 (which I always do). Finally, he may actually be a legitimate counterpick against Zeratul if you take Foresight at 4 and WotHF at 7. You can disrupt Zeratul's ganks, chase him down, and kill him off with your WotHF empowered Q.
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Well those are weaknesses but everyone has those kinds of weaknesses. It seems like considering his roles, his inability to CC and wave clear are more than made up by his strengths.
Also it seems like many people are now saying that Zeratul is OP. I've never played him, I find him really annoying but is he actually considered OP?
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On August 24 2015 23:58 Djzapz wrote:
Also it seems like many people are now saying that Zeratul is OP. I've never played him, I find him really annoying but is he actually considered OP?
He is pretty much considered to be the best assassin in the game and is banned in majority of pro matches. He is just too versatile.
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On August 24 2015 23:58 Djzapz wrote:
Well those are weaknesses but everyone has those kinds of weaknesses. It seems like considering his roles, his inability to CC and wave clear are more than made up by his strengths.
Also it seems like many people are now saying that Zeratul is OP. I've never played him, I find him really annoying but is he actually considered OP?
A good Zeratul can dominate games to a degree that no other hero can. His damage is probably a little bit out of order with the new AA builds (he hurts more now than he did with pre-nerf double bombs), but even if they tone it down, Zeratul will still be a beast with his kit.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
He's pretty strong yes, but what pushes him over the top for pro games is Void Prison. For a well coordinated team this is the best Heroic in the game, bar none.
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Alright. Guess those monster zeratuls are not present at rank 10!
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On August 25 2015 01:01 Djzapz wrote:
Alright. Guess those monster zeratuls are not present at rank 10!
Anyone who is a monster Zeratul will be high MMR and at or near Rank 1.
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On August 25 2015 01:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2015 01:01 Djzapz wrote:
Alright. Guess those monster zeratuls are not present at rank 10! Anyone who is a monster Zeratul will be high MMR and at or near Rank 1.
Well I'll get around there soon enough probably... Would probably help if I watched some pro plays to see what they do. I've been pretty good with Sylvanas but I assume I'm playing it wrong.
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On August 24 2015 23:23 Djzapz wrote:
I've been told before that the monk has serious weaknesses but I have yet to find them. He can do very serious damage if he specs for it, he can heal steadily and has his clutch heal thing that'll disrupt focus fire. At higher levels I guess people can cope with this but with random people in matchmaking, it's really difficult to recover from his shit.
Played a game where the other team had Kael'Thas and the Monk. Kael now just hard as fuck to play against, he can just drop insane damage with such incredible ease it's ridiculous, it seems too easy. Now I'm only rank 10 (though rising rapidly) and I don't know shit but it just seems too easy to be proficient with. Kael can move up and overextend like a motherfucker in team fight, deal an absolutely insane amount of damage sending the other team into disarray and still fucking survive because the monk decides nope you don't die today and boop 70% health and we're all too low hp to switch targets and we're still blowing up left and right.
I don't consider myself good enough to say it's OP, but it certainly feels that way, and it certainly is a pain to play against, especially in a game which makes communicating with teammates in real time fucking impossible. (Wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings).
Part of your problem is that KT is stupid good right now. Anyone saying he was nerfed hasn't been paying attention.
His E having range and speed baked in makes it incredibly hard to avoid. From what I can tell, it's around the same speed as Muradin's hammer, maybe faster even. And I consider that a pretty easy to land skillshot. Then his direct damage was amped up and you can see how he's just a monster now (rather than all being on Flamestrike + Chainbomb via Ignite).
In your scenario the Monk is just the normal vanilla burst healer (Ancestral Healing, Divine Shield would be doing the same thing, but actually better in your hypothetical since KT would still be messing stuff up!).
Not saying, Monk isn't good or anything (he is really good), but you just seem to be confusing your issue here.
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From my perspective ancestral healing is harder to use because there's enough of a delay where it sometimes fails. Plus, the invincibility period causes confusion. With Ancestral healing, if you have the guy pinned properly you can just burst him down again. Divine shield makes it easier to switch seamlessly because you instantly see he's invincible and you can move on or continue following him. The monk's thing is very jarring and IMO particularly effective against Kael who's locked but still deals damage and comes out of it fresh and ready to blow you up some more.
I think it's mostly a Kael issue but when you add the monk to the whole ordeal in my (limited) experience, it makes it everything that much harder.
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Divine Palm changes the rhythm of how things work, but KT is just as dead as he was before once people get used to it. I think that's all the Monk is doing in your scenario.
Of course he was doing more in your games, for example I think the Monk does better damage than Uther and has better AoE healing. But it really doesn't sound like you're describing a Monk issue.
Monk is only the melee support I have any idea how to play, could be because he's that good or because a reverse-Illidan is something that meshes well with my playstyle (I play a lot of Illidan).
FYI, targetting switching Divine Shield target isn't seamless when you're furiously spamming out skill shots and aoes...
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Katowice25012 Posts
I gave our writers icons because they finally work on new TL
welcome them to the pen15 club everyone
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Congrats writers  Deserved recognition.
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Can't forget that the Monk has 2 really bad ults for high level play. Atleast until there will be a hero that can kill himself. But honestly I didn't expected pros to already be that good at evading divine palm.
But hey its like a cleanse, you escape or get full health. Just like Ancestral just that you don't get healed if you escape.
Also congrats to the writers your doing really good work. I like the articles especially since they have so much purple.
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I like how they didnt even give a fuck about gazlowe
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Not exactly, Gazlow can now go brb on Level 4 and suddenly you have a giant camp pushing hurting alot. He is basically the only here were no one cares that he does this.
And its pretty cool on the Vikings too I guess.
Yeah scrap that I pushed 2 lanes with merc lord on the vikings, while objectives where up. Freaking OP Merc timing with Bribe around the second objective on cursed.
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Pulled the trigger and bought the piggy bank mount. Lol.
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On August 26 2015 10:41 mordek wrote:
Pulled the trigger and bought the piggy bank mount. Lol.
Congratulations, you just gained 300 nerdballer points on my book. That makes you one sick nerdballer even if you had no swag before.
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On August 26 2015 21:52 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 10:41 mordek wrote:
Pulled the trigger and bought the piggy bank mount. Lol. Congratulations, you just gained 300 nerdballer points on my book. That makes you one sick nerdballer even if you had no swag before.
This means a lot, thanks! I figured I'll have 10k by the time I get one of my three almost level 9s to 10 anyways. I'm not really competitive, I have the heroes I like and free rotation is fine. Woot.
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